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Pretty sick engineering skills by the dinos to get the runway built in time for them to land, we should bring them back through to build our 3 min rescue system

you would think that a plan of this scale prob took years of preparation, and enemy like this poses a whole new set of threats to USA, and out interest. I would suspect multinational coalition invasion of the Jurassic era sometime soon, Malaysia will prob shun us as i expect them to deny the existence of this photo during their evening announcement, even though it is clear as day what is really going on here...

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03-13-2014 , 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

Just a guess: pilots were suffering from hypoxia.

From Wikipedia, on an a crash due to decompression:

From the NTSB, on the investigation into Payne Stewart's plane crash:

In sum: the crew was consciousness enough to recognize some kind of problem and change directions, i.e., do some inexplicable stuff. Not enough to act decisively and get supplemental oxygen, stay conscious, and land the plane safely.

My 2 cents.

As good of a guess as any really

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03-13-2014 , 03:07 PM

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I disagree. If the change of course and prolonged flight is true, I think there are too many red flags for it to be as simple as that.

* The flight going silent right after they were handed off by the controller (with no acknowledgement to the new controller)
* The sudden lack of any communication either from the pilots or from the plane
* The flight change into a totally different direction

Obviously this isn't overwhelming evidence, but I think it indicates someone knowledgeable with malicious intentions was in control.

People suffering from hypoxia are in an impaired mental state. See the NTSB report on crashes due to decompression. The pilots don't do the expected things like get themselves supplemental oxygen. Your brain isn't wired to function correctly on low-levels of oxygen.

So right, I think that can explain most anything like turning in an odd-direction and not communicating, full-stop.

ASSUMING the prolonged flight is true, why is someone with malicious intent flying the plane around for 4 hours, giving the passengers time to organize and fight back? Or if it's pilot suicide - giving their fellow crew members like hours of time to react and respond?

Flying out 500 miles west to the middle of the ocean isn't exactly logical for someone with bad intent to do. It does make sense if the crew is asphyxiated.

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03-13-2014 , 03:10 PM

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People suffering from hypoxia are in an impaired mental state. I think that can explain most anything, full-stop.

Sure, it could explain it, but it seems unlikely that in an impaired state they'd just happen to pull the breakers/disable all broadcasting equipment/not use the radio.

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ASSUMING the prolonged flight is true, why is someone with malicious intent flying the plane around for 4 hours, giving the passengers time to organize and fight back? Or if it's pilot suicide - giving their fellow crew members like hours of time to react and respond?

Flying out 500 miles west to the middle of the ocean isn't exactly logical for someone with bad intent to do. It does make sense if the crew is asphyxiated.

It's a great thing to do if your goal is to try and prevent the plane from being recovered. Money from insurance being the big one there.

Edit: To be clear, you could be right, but I'd put my theory at at least equal probability to what you said. And definitely don't think what you said is a "Big favorite" over everything else.

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03-13-2014 , 03:13 PM

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I get that about the pilots going unconscious but what about the passengers at this stage? Would they all be unconscious as well for this extra 4 hours? wouldn't the oxygen masks come down and you would think at least 1 person would try to get into the cockpit and try to call for help or something

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03-13-2014 , 03:21 PM

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Oxygen masks only last about 10 minutes. But regardless if something effected the pilots it would be effecting the passengers as well.

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03-13-2014 , 03:23 PM

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Guys, there's a difference between something being a possible explanation and something being a *likely* explanation.

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03-13-2014 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Oxygen masks only last about 10 minutes. But regardless if something effected the pilots it would be effecting the passengers as well.

I did not know that. Not enough time to change much then really

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03-13-2014 , 03:33 PM

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Sources close to the investigation report that Malaysia, US, China, Vietnam and India have agreed to use blindfolded kids, a map of southeast Asia, and "pin- the- tail-on-the-donkey" results to select the next 5 probable search locations.

lol, this. Ill be going to the beach here in Southern California soon to begin my investigation.

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03-13-2014 , 03:35 PM

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Looking up uncontrolled decompression I saw this caught my eye.

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Exposure to a Vacuum Can Make You Explode

This persistent myth is based on a failure to distinguish between two types of decompression: the first, from normal atmospheric pressure (one atmosphere) to a vacuum (zero atmospheres); the second, from an exceptionally high pressure (many atmospheres) to normal atmospheric pressure.

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The second type is rare, since the only normal situation in which it can occur is during decompression after deep-sea diving. In fact, there is only a single well-documented occurrence: the 1983 Byford Dolphin incident in the North Sea, in which a catastrophic pressure drop of eight atmospheres, from nine atmospheres to one atmosphere instantaneously, caused massive and lethal barotrauma, including the actual explosion of one diver

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncon..._decompression

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03-13-2014 , 03:41 PM

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I did not know that. Not enough time to change much then really

Plenty if you go to a lower altitude where there is air, though.

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03-13-2014 , 03:52 PM

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the last sentence in that first post was obviously sarcasm.

seriously tho, how much money do we spend to find a crashed airplane? whats the point, its not like there are going to be survivors

why ****ing do anything at all in life if we are all gonna die someday anyway. hell, tomorrow you could get killed walking your doggie

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03-13-2014 , 03:53 PM

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Correction from the WSJ:

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U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process.

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why ****ing do anything at all in life if we are all gonna die someday anyway. hell, tomorrow you could get killed walking your doggie

Inshallah

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03-13-2014 , 04:01 PM

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*conspiracy hat on*

- unidentifiable Boeing 777 is penetrating Diego Garcia airspace
- in fear of a terror attack the US military shoots it down
- they're recovering the blackbox to find out what was really going on
- in the meantime they're sending the official investigation on a wild goose chase to the
gulf of thailand to buy some time for evaluation of the black box content
- They dump the blackbox back into the water, where it will be found (with the rest of
the wreckage) by the USS Kidd.

*conspiracy hat off*

this is close to what my model predicated as well. great job!

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03-13-2014 , 04:52 PM

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Yeah, agreed with jjshabado. Especially on the first point. If it was just an accident, it would be a pretty huge coincidence that it happened during a controller handoff, no?

Combine that with the other two points and I think it becomes a lot more likely that the pilot (or somebody else) turned off communications on purpose at that time so as not to be detected.

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03-13-2014 , 04:56 PM

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yeah, loss of cabin pressure and hypoxia doesnt turn off the transponder

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03-13-2014 , 05:08 PM

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New G10 odds

50% landed somewhere
30% pilot suicide, in ocean somewhere
15% terrorists gained control of plane, accidentally crashed, in ocean
5% plane is in the air right ****ing now

Holler

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03-13-2014 , 05:13 PM

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New G10 odds

5% plane is in the air right ****ing now

Holler

Can I bet on this?

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03-13-2014 , 05:14 PM

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Can I bet on this?

Only if you want to lose

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03-13-2014 , 05:15 PM

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Just kidding. It'd be a neutral EV bet for both of us, since my odds are spot on for every event. Not interested in gambling on none +EV situations.

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03-13-2014 , 05:17 PM

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yeah, loss of cabin pressure and hypoxia doesnt turn off the transponder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoxia_%28medical%29

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In the case of altitude sickness, where hypoxia develops gradually, the symptoms include light-headedness / fatigue, numbness / tingling of extremities, nausea and anorexia.[5] In severe hypoxia, or hypoxia of very rapid onset, ataxia, confusion / disorientation / hallucinations / behavioral change, severe headaches / reduced level of consciousness, papilloedema, breathlessness,[6] pallor,[7] tachycardia and pulmonary hypertension eventually leading to the late signs cyanosis, bradycardia / cor pulmonale and hypotension followed by death

You guys are judging this from the perspective of perfectly rational actors, not someone whose brain is oxygen starved and has no idea what the **** they're doing. Of course 'hypoxia' doesn't turn off a transponder, but a human being suffering from hypoxia will do some unexpected ****.