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There's a big difference between people knowing this is almost certainly what happened and the Malaysian government coming to this definitive conclusion and making its position on the matter clear. It's completely appropriate and an important step that needed to be taken. Particularly because the family of the victims are the ones most likely to hold onto false hope for as long as possible.

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03-24-2014 , 10:08 AM

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rjoefish

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

I don't think the text message is that bad. Making a thousand phone calls seems impractical and it was good they informed the family before the press conference.

Yeah I don't think the text is bad. Letting family know before they hear from media is good IMO

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03-24-2014 , 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

It won't/can't (only 1 ping/hr and we don't have precise fuel data)

They've just somehow concluded southern corridor is a lock.

I was assuming that "new data" could include data above and beyond the 1 ping/hr.

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03-24-2014 , 10:09 AM

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God how awful listening to the families screaming and crying after receiving that news

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03-24-2014 , 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

I guess so. It just feels like a lot of fanfare for no information. But I guess announcing that everyone is definitely dead with no fanfare would seem pretty inappropriate.

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03-24-2014 , 10:11 AM

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I think the text message was sent to people who had left Malaysia. Sounds heartless but I guess it was the only way to tell everyone at once.

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03-24-2014 , 10:14 AM

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I think the text message was sent to people who had left Malaysia. Sounds heartless but I guess it was the only way to tell everyone at once.

That's fair I guess. I was thinking at the very least you send someone to the places the families are gathered in Malaysia/Beijing to do an in person explanation.

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03-24-2014 , 10:15 AM

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Rooting for hypoxia now. I can't think of a worse way to go than burning to death in a plane as it falls from the sky.

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03-24-2014 , 10:15 AM

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That was a short press conference.

Basically all he said was that Inmarsat have made further calculations that confirm that the plane went down in the ocean west of Perth.

I basically understood this too, but correct me if I am wrong, shouldn't they first confirm things like the images of debris being from the actual plane? All I understood was, images show possible debris and we've got new calculations so we can assume the plane went down and everyone is dead.

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03-24-2014 , 10:17 AM

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I basically understood this too, but correct me if I am wrong, shouldn't they first confirm things like the possibilty of debris floating around? All I understood was, images show possible debris and we've got new calculations so we can assume the plane went down and everyone is dead.

If they know the plane was definitively at a place in the Indian Ocean where it couldn't land, I think its the right thing to announce that.

You'll always have people skeptical until they see physical debris. And people that are skeptical until they find the whole wreckage/black box. And people that are still skeptical after that. Nothing much you can do about this and no reason to hold on to information as important as this.

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03-24-2014 , 10:18 AM

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I wonder if they even had new data or just decided North wasn't possible due to no radar sightings

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03-24-2014 , 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

That's fair I guess. I was thinking at the very least you send someone to the places the families are gathered in Malaysia/Beijing to do an in person explanation.

CNN reporter said before the press conference that the families had been called to the hotel and were meeting with government/airline officials.

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03-24-2014 , 10:24 AM

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When are they going to start searching the bottom of the ocean? Also, how long does a body have to be under water before it is unidentifiable?

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03-24-2014 , 10:26 AM

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Well that's the thing though. Do they know it definitively is? I believe I heard him say they assume it is there. Not trying to be a pain here, but just got the feeling they're giving conclusions based on assumptions even though there are still unconfirmed pieces of evidence out there. Like why not first confim the images of possible debris is actuall debris from the plane, and then give the statement they did?

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03-24-2014 , 10:28 AM

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Yeah, I'm hoping for hypoxia too. They knew something went horrifically wrong, had time to reprogram to 12,000 ft to try and make an emergency landing, but couldn't stay conscious and just ran out the clock until fuel ran out.

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03-24-2014 , 10:29 AM

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Because if they have concrete data putting them at a location where they couldn't possibly reach a safe place to land it's okay to make conclusions (and we don't even know exactly what the data says, which could add more to it).

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03-24-2014 , 10:30 AM

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Obviously there's doubt about everything we're told.

But it seems credible that this is coming from analysis done by Immarsat and the AAIB(?) and they're smart and professional enough to only say something they're certain of from the pretty reliable data they have.

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03-24-2014 , 10:33 AM

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And how did they get back up?

They had to climb back to a higher altitude otherwise they couldn't make it that far.

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03-24-2014 , 10:34 AM

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I find it hard to believe that people are still clinging to the flimsy theory that somehow this was an accident. Face it: this was almost certainly a hijacking/pilot suicide. There was definitely foul play involved. Planes don't just fall out of the sky and vanish without any distress calls (after traveling thousands of miles off course, to the middle of the ocean no less). It was terrorism of some kind. The only really surprising thing is that no known terrorist group has claimed responsibility. But no terrorist group claimed responsibility for the Boston bombings either.

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03-24-2014 , 10:35 AM

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I think there's little doubt if any it went into the Indian Ocean.

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Satellite data based on the new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that its last position was in the middle of the the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

I'm no expert but these guys are. It would be one hell of a stuff up with everything that's happened in the last hour.

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03-24-2014 , 10:38 AM

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Hey I'm a terrorist that has just taken control of a plane with 7 hours worth of fuel. I could hit any number of cities and possibly kill tens of thousands of infidels but instead I'm going to fly it into the ocean where nobody else will be killed.

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03-24-2014 , 10:42 AM

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Yeah, this is why it was pilot suicide.

Literally there are no facts that do not fit with the pilot suicide theory. The only thing contradicting it is people's personal incredulity that anyone would do something like that.

Edit: Actually the reports that MH370 was contacted by another plane do cast doubt on the pilot suicide theory. My bad. That's the only thing though.