https://polarisproject.org/facts

I realize that doesn't answer the nitpicking niche question you're asking but you should probably cruise that site and educate yourself a bit before spouting off that it doesn't happen because people can't find a news article on it.

Obviously immigrants and young runaways are most vulnerable to sex trafficking but don't pretend that just because someone is white, they are immune to it. It may not be common but it certainly does happen.

There are some interesting testimonials out there about women being held under Vegas casinos as sex slaves.

FWIW, I have worked with perpetrators of sex trafficking and most of their victims were runaway teens. Some used their wives or children. Most go unreported and are never found. Again, read the website I linked. It has a lot of good information.

You know, it isn't niche or nitpicky when the tendency of people who want to believe it is to conflate anything similar and extrapolate it out all over the Internet as a clear and present danger of Mexican rings grabbing joggers--a claim not even made in this case. You are wrong no matter how much you know about other kinds of sex trafficking. You are wrong no matter how much experience you have working with the scum of the earth. You are wrong no matter how much you want to change what I am saying to somehow mean sex trafficking doesn't happen, or kidnappings don't happen, or bad things don't happen. **** you. I know they do. I donate money to a local shelter for rescued sex workers, most of them kidnapped from other countries and brought here under the guise of a great job then trapped with threats to their families.

I drive by what I know to be brothels in strip malls and hidden ones in houses I know nothing about on my way to work. If you want to get in a virtue signaling battle to see who can be more righteous, what is pissing me off about this **** is a solitary white woman supposedly gets snatched and the world goes ape**** while this is occouring right now with hundreds or thousand of women and nobody gives a ****. That people are making up, out of whole cloth, that there are "Mexican" rings that are going to steal super moms from their jogging path when there are "Americans" actually selling women and kids to American men in every ****ing town.

So don't tell me to educate myself. Don't send me another link about sex trafficking. And don't tell me something that pretty literally never happens should be getting attention because other things happen.

I used to be a a lead in a training program in the East Bay Area. A young woman in my class was repeatedly late in the first few weeks,which will get you fired. I had to write her up several times for it. She had potential. She really wanted this job and it was a good job.

I pulled her into my office and asked her why she couldn't get her **** together. She told me she was working another job at night. I told her she had to make a decision but she was about to lose this opportunity. She looked at me and in hindsight she was about to tell me what was really going on, but didn't.

She didn't come back. A learned from one of her friends in class she fled back to her hometown in Oregon to escape her "boyfriend" who had turned her out to the street and was making her turn tricks at night.

See now that happens. Plenty more than people think. What doesn't? Well nitpicky I guess.

But it doesn't happen to middle class white women, I guess. After all, you couldn't find "a single example":

Any awareness to the issue is good awareness. It's sad that some turn a blind eye because it isn't typically viewed as a danger to them (I.e. White women) but that doesn't mean you should write-off what happened to this woman as any less tragic. If the story is true, of course.

Hey, not just me--experts like you can't. Among the thousands. And "it" is being taken by a stranger out of your daily routine, not manipulated into sex work. Just no. Any awareness to "the issue" is not good. Not at all. It can be useless or even damaging. There is a real, actual danger to women and kids being manipulated into sex work by someone they know, or tricked using the Internet, or brought here from another country. Morons advocating looking out for Mexican rings in vans who are going to grab moms off the street or talking about how packing a gun on your jog is a worthy precaution to stay safe from sex trafficking is not making people one bit safer. It is not helping one single actual victim. No. it is not good. It is detracting from where awareness belongs.

Raising awareness by having a potential victim a wide swath of society can relate to makes the feeling of the danger and suffering involved with sex trafficking real and palpable. In turn, that can potentially spur people into volunteering and donating to organizations to help stop sex trafficking. How is ignorance better?

And I think you're putting too much on the Mexicans in vans idea and the assumption that women are too stupid to apply their safety precautions across the board to all races and vehicle types.

Ignorance is better because if people are protecting themselves from a non-threat then they feel safe when they are not any safer. It's like light cigarettes vs regular.

I am making the repeated point about race because that is no small ingredient in the invented boogieman. There are real boogie men. Telling people to be aware of cross border rings is ****ing stupid, and to your point while women should be aware of their surroundings when in public, they are still far more likely to be killed by their own husband than a stranger of any race for any reason.

I don't know how else I can explain my point to you. White women do not get snatched to be sold into sex rings by organized crime. It is not the way those activities are perpetrated. It is not logical that it would be. There is no benefit to inventing or even inflating that threat and adding racial elements to it to anyone, and there is no excuse for people who do so except they are simple minded, scared or misinformed in some combination.

Women may be abducted and raped/killed on a jog. Just say that. Women may be lured into sex work online. Raise awareness. Women are being held captive as sex slaves in massage parlors within miles of each of us. Let's do something about it. But stopping the flow of supermoms across the Mexican border by cartels? Gfys.

I agree that that particular population is not exactly at high risk for such a scenario to happen but I disagree when you say that it absolutely has not and does not happen. It has. It does. But it is extremely rare.

I am asking that question sincerely, but I don't claim to know for sure like you do. I personally have come to the conclusion it never happens at this point based on the fact that if it did it would be national news based on the following:

When a pretty white middle class woman disappears it is news. This case is an example. When she is found, alive or dead, it is a story. If there ever were one case of a woman like being taken by a stranger and somehow forced into an underground trafficking ring it would not be lost in the weeds.

So what are you basing your disagreement on? If it has or does, then why can't you find an example? If you can't find an example then how do you know it can and does?

Sounds like we need two fainting couches ITT

Nice soul read.

Always the off chance the woman is actually telling the truth. You know, rather than starving herself for 3 weeks, branding herself, and punching herself in the face.

Maybe she's in fight club and had to make weight.

I am basing my disagreement on the fact that I am a forensic psychologist and have heard cases that are extremely horrible from very disturbed people. I can't cite you specifics due to confidentiality and HIPAA.

So to be clear, a random woman abducted by a stranger with the motivation being supplying an organized trafficking ring? If you are saying you have heard of a case where this happened I will take your word for it, but you have been willing to conflate similar threats ITT already, and I know we disagree about why that matters.

I won't say that was the motivation as it wasn't. But that doesn't mean that isn't where she ended up.

Fair enough. I guess I had better arm my wife. She's a super mom.

Was this planned in advance?

Why keep her in America for 3 weeks vs. going straight to Mexico where the chances of getting caught/found are reduced? Stay far away from family and local police.

Perhaps this was a kidnapping and a secret ransom was paid.

Seems like the husband would want to keep a low profile if perpetrators are still out there in his neighborhood.

Truant you seem obsessed with derailing this thread by repeatedly mocking anyone who claims a white woman out jogging could ever be abducted by a sex trafficking cartel. It's not a common occurrence. We get it.

We are talking about this one case, not the plight of sex workers in general. Is it likely for a white 30-something woman to be abducted by sex traffickers? No. Could it have happened, even if it is rare? Yes. Even if we can't find a SINGLE EXAMPLE?? Yes. If she really was branded, would that increase the likelihood? Yes.

Is it wrong for people to obsess over one white woman, when so many minorities disappear and it hardly rates a mention? Yes, it is. Should all joggers now start carrying guns because of an epidemic of white super-mom abductions? Of course not. But none of that minimizes the trauma this one woman went through if she is telling the truth. People are essentially calling her a liar, just because white 34 year-olds supposedly never get abducted.

It wasn't continuous derailing of my doing. It was a question I asked that was given irrelevant answers by several different people who were interested in discussing it. That you are defensive about believing her story is beside the point. I stopped addressing you on that a long time ago.

And no, the branding story doesn't make it more or less likely to be true.

ETA: I also did not bring up other sex trafficking. Others did.

I agree and didn't mean to imply he's involved. I'm dubious of her story, could be legit, hope we find out one way or another

In cahoots with that hostage negotiator, yeah, that sounds about right

under Vegas casinos?? How does that work?

Tunnels, bro.

I wish I could find the testimony that said that. I think it was on the Polaris website. She said it was a casino on the strip that had little basement window things so she would hear tourists walk by and be oblivious that she was down there. I think she said the cops and politicians were aware of it but were also patronizing the sex trade so they did nothing. I'll have to try to find it tomorrow sometime.

Methinks Johnny T. doth protest too much.

Perhaps he is in the business and covers by continually saying '...nope, never happens, nothing to see here move along...'