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07-08-2021 , 07:03 PM

#151

LKJ

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07-08-2021 , 07:08 PM

#152

whatthejish

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Wow, and you give ME grief for posting a gif that loops too quickly!?

He's dribbling that bead on his nose like a basketball.

07-08-2021 , 07:12 PM

#153

REDeYeS00

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in my own twisted movie universe i still pretend it was Robert Patrick that transformed into the black student that shot Ed Furlong in the last scene of American History X in 1998 to somehow prevent him from becoming John Conner in 1991's Terminator 2
ass-backwards, i know

07-08-2021 , 07:14 PM

#154

LKJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by whatthejish

Wow, and you give ME grief for posting a gif that loops too quickly!?

He's dribbling that bead on his nose like a basketball.

This is a fair criticism that I have no worthwhile rejoinder for.

07-08-2021 , 07:17 PM

#155

REDeYeS00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by whatthejish

He's dribbling that bead on his nose like a basketball.

astute observation

07-08-2021 , 07:33 PM

#156

Bighurt52235

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Lmao, bouncing right off his lip.

07-08-2021 , 07:35 PM

#157

DodgerIrish

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Originally Posted by LKJ

I think it significantly undersells Norton's contributions to Primal Fear and American History X to frame it as though it was just great source material that would have been brought to life by [insert solid actor here]. That was some truly standout work.

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Obviously Gosling is the bigger star and it's not overly difficult to see why, but I just think the comparison is quite odd.

I'm assuming you haven't seen those earlier Gosling roles? The comp was beyond apt until Gosling eclipsed the trajectory. Even then, they both starred in musical romcoms too! (Everyone Says I Love You and La La Land.)

07-08-2021 , 07:40 PM

#158

REDeYeS00

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how does The Crying Game rank in the twist category? it came out (1992) a few years before AHX and Primal Fear and was very prominent in certain discussion circles

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07-08-2021 , 07:42 PM

#159

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Sixth Sense too.

re: CG, I don't know bc I knew the twist before I watched it. (I think that may be more true than most of these types as it was salacious at the time.)

It def belongs on a top ten tho.

07-08-2021 , 07:48 PM

#160

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

AHX that's fair with. Primal Fear is people being blown away by the twist, the character himself was supposed to be a great actor; Norton's portrayal was relatively straight forward and one-note until the end.

Kevin Spacey doesn't get this extrapolated credit for the twist in Usual Suspects the way Norton almost single-handedly does. (I think a lot of that is due to it being the first time most were exposed to Norton and so it comes across as this tour-de-force, but that's myopic imo.)

I'm assuming you haven't seen those earlier Gosling roles? The comp was beyond apt until Gosling eclipsed the trajectory. Even then, they both starred in musical romcoms too! (Everyone Says I Love You and La La Land.)

The stutter of Aaron Stampler was Norton making a decision on how to play up the innocent character. It was not scripted that way. I completely disagree that he just played the source material in a way that didn't require anything of him.

Spacey won an Oscar for The Usual Suspects. He gets massive amounts of well-deserved credit for that acting job. If there's a good example of Norton getting credit where a similar performance did not, it ain't Spacey.

You are correct that I haven't seen those early Gosling roles you named, so I would have to put in the time before I could comment further on the comparison I guess.

07-08-2021 , 07:50 PM

#161

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Sixth Sense blew me away the hardest of any twist ending I've ever seen. Then I really enjoyed it on an immediate rewatch when the DVD came out. But unlike these other movies where a lot hinges on the big twist, it has not aged particularly well and I didn't enjoy my last attempt to watch it. Great musical score though.

07-08-2021 , 07:51 PM

#162

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Fair enough and I agree on your first two paragraphs, outside of Usual Suspects seems to be remembered as a film primarily where Primal Fear is remembered for a role imo.

I think his portrayal in Fight Club is probably his best acting I've seen from him. That role demanded a lot (in a more nuanced way than AHX).

07-08-2021 , 07:53 PM

#163

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Sixth Sense blew me away the most in a theater.

Usual Suspects was VHS but I rewound the Keaton ending first thinking that was great (as a kid) before even proceeding further. Really doubled up the impact.

07-08-2021 , 08:54 PM

#164

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If a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, Usual Suspects may be the greatest movie in history for its elevation of Stephen Baldwin.

07-08-2021 , 08:58 PM

#165

Bighurt52235

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Fight Club was a top twist for me. Sixth Sense great too, and I loooove Se7en.

I'll give Usual Suspects a go tonight, also assuming it doesn't cost $5.

07-08-2021 , 09:12 PM

#166

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

Fight Club was a top twist for me. Sixth Sense great too, and I loooove Se7en.

I'll give Usual Suspects a go tonight, also assuming it doesn't cost $5.

Prime Video if you've got it. JustWatch is a worthwhile app to download; it can always tell you your streaming options for anything.

07-08-2021 , 09:12 PM

#167

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Originally Posted by LKJ

The thing is that Norton, while certainly a good-looking enough guy, basically didn't play romantic leads at practically any point. He's got a romantic partner in Everyone Says I Love You, but that's an ensemble picture, and the relationship isn't central to the movie. His relationships in Primal Fear, American History X, and Fight Club only existed to show how ****ed up his characters were. In Rounders he's probably just patronizing hookers, but he doesn't have a love interest.

Honestly, it probably takes until Death to Smoochy for him to really have a love story at all, unless you want to count him pining after a woman while he's serving as a Catholic priest in Keeping the Faith.

In the meantime, that's been a pretty central focus for Gosling. Understandably so! But they're just very different careers.

He was into the Trust Fund Game woman but I think he was only into her to bang her.. as he said "I was THIS close to banging her when I got sent away."

So yeah you're correct.

07-08-2021 , 09:18 PM

#168

Bighurt52235

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LKJ

Prime Video if you've got it. JustWatch is a worthwhile app to download; it can always tell you your streaming options for anything.

Cool, thanks.

07-08-2021 , 09:19 PM

#169

whatthejish

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Am I the only poker pro who has never seen Rounders and never wants to?

I mean I've seen the last scene, but that's it.

Yes, you're the only one.

07-08-2021 , 09:52 PM

#170

REDeYeS00

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several of the twist movies mentioned above are still very rewatchable to see how they set you up for the delivery, and often there’s a nuance and complexity to the setup that is better after you watch it several times.

07-08-2021 , 10:02 PM

#171

REDeYeS00

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only the namesake banned posters can say

07-08-2021 , 10:05 PM

#172

pokeraz

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BH, I’m excited for you. I wish Usual Suspects was still in my future.

07-08-2021 , 10:19 PM

#173

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Quote:

Originally Posted by REDeYeS00

A quality movie always holds up to rewatch, big twist or no. I'm honestly not sure the existence of a big twist even affects whether a movie is rewatchable. If the loss of surprise kills it, then the whole movie was probably just a cheap trick to begin with and not actually a good movie.