I would be thinking this was an April fools joke or I'd been hacked. Otherwise I'd be "WTF we are being attacked and they haven't taken out the US yet"

Why would it be super awkward to have sat around telling your family you love them? I hope you people are telling your loved ones on a fairly regular basis that you love them. My dad towards the end of his life told me one of the reasons he liked talking to me on the phone so much was because I always ended the conversation with "I love you dad". My dad was in no way a sensitive new age guy lol.

Would this be considered a legitimate out?

So alcohol-free pet drinks are a thing? People will literally buy anything

OOT,
Small question that isn't worth a new thread. This is based on information relayed to me from my wife.

Scenario:
My wife is organizing a charity event for our kids' elementary school. One aspect of this involves lining up donors, who are then officially recognized as such. The question relates to two particular donors:

- Donor A, who is pledging $250 cash
- Donor B, who is pledging 25 custom-made t-shirts, retail price of $20 each

Donor B (owner of a small local business) has historically donated shirts like this every year. But apparently (for reasons unknown to me) was reluctant to continue doing it. So a mutual friend of both A and B arranged for Donor A's $250 to be sent to Donor B to cover the wholesale cost of the shirts.*** That arrangement convinced Donor B to contribute the shirts again this year.

Question:
In the sponsor acknowledgement, should Donor A and Donor B be identified as having contributed the same $250 amount?


***There's apparently nothing wrong with the actions of Donor A or the mutual friend because Donors can choose how their donations are spent.

I was in a specialty pet store a couple months ago that was selling dog beer for $30/six-pack. This is a diseased society.

Musical donations lol pass.

Spider, only donor A should get recognition since B isn't donating anything, he's just letting A buy stuff wholesale.

Sure why not - it's $250 and donor B (who isn't really donating anything) is almost certainly the kind of person to be butthurt if they don't get recognition. Of course donor B shouldn't "actually" get the $250 recognition.

Exactly. **** that guy

greg,
2 things:
1. It's unclear whether "wholesale" in this context means that someone could buy these same shirts in bulk at that price, or whether it represents the cost of the non-customized shirts, which Donor B then customizes.

2. Regardless of #1, if donor A wasn't involved at all, Donor B would get full $500 credit, right?

grando,
Butthurt factor is very real and will definitely result in Donor B getting recognized.

I think it is a type of the situation, where you have to think about what exactly do you want to achieve and how it correlates with your values.

I mean..... the school did get from this whole situation 250 $ of worth. If the donation of A would have been send directly to the school and B wouldn't participate at all, the school would have got the same amount of $.

In this sense B didn't donate anything. But.....

How probable is it that he would donate next year something? How valuable member of the community he is? I mean... would it be bad, if he gets butthurt?
How is his business doing? What is he as a person?

I mean if he is close to bankruptcy or so and this 250 $ make the difference for him, you wouldn't want to make his life worse by not giving him some recognition. But if he is just miserly butt ......

edit: OK I see now that the school does actually get 500$ of worth

Spider,

Seems like a ****ty trade for the charity auction.

$250 of amazon (or whatever else) gift cert vs “$500 retail value” custom t-shirts.

Donor B should be shoved into a locker.

So why not just recognize them both for exactly what they gave? Say that A contributed $250 to B so that B would donate $500 worth of shirts.
If butthurt ensues thats just too ****ing bad.

B didn't donate anything though.

B sold shirts to A.

A should get the recognition and B can get ****ed.

Some clarification:

This isn't an auction. The event is a reading challenge, where kids who read the most get prizes. The donors can donate either:
- Prizes
- Cash, with a specification (or approval right) of what prizes the cash will be used for
- Cash, with no restrictions

So the custom-made shirts are prizes that the kids would win. Apparently at least some kids really, really like these shirts (or at least, that's what parents have claimed). I think Donor B is reluctant this year because of financial constraints, but I'm not positive.
Donor B is also a friend of some parents. (I don't think my wife or I know either donor personally.)

That's the full extent of what I know, and I am REALLY trying hard not to get further involved in this mess.

The way I see it, there could be 3 possible scenarios:

1. Donor A only. Obviously there's a $250 donation.

2. Donor B only. Pretty obviously a $500 donation, although I guess it's arguable that the "real" donation is the cost, rather than the retail value. But I don't think I'd apply that same reasoning to, say, Chipotle, if they donated $500 worth of gift cards. (I know the "wholesale cost" language is ambiguous, but I'm assuming that no one has the ability to buy these custom shirts at the wholesale cost. I'm definitely not investigating this any further.)

3. Donor A and Donor B actual arrangement. From the school's perspective, this is the same as Donor B only, plus some irrelevant transaction between Donor A and Donor B. So you have the same total $500 donation, and the weird transaction means that the $500 credit is split between Donor A and Donor B.

So I'm on board giving both Donor A and B $250 acknowledgement, but my wife thinks it's sketchy to acknowledge Donor B.

Nope

A and B donated the shirts jointly.

I mean whatever gets the kids their shirts this year and going forward is obviously the correct choice

does donor b usually get credit for $500 when he gives the shirts?

250 for each seems fine. you are getting 500 of donations and clearly 250 come from A, and the rest comes from B

spidercrab,

Is this just public recognition or are actual donor receipts involved?

Probably. This is the first year my wife has been involved with this, so I'm not sure.

This is just listing people as "Silver level", "Gold level", "Platinum level" contributors, not actual receipts. I'd nope out of that discussion completely.

Then who cares?

Spider,

Should prob really be custom t-shirts from A and B, like a husband/wife donation acknowledgment. But if people prefer individual $250 each, that’s fine too. Whatever, who cares.

I’m guessing it’s what you suspect, that the guy is donating his time and labor here. Shouldn’t be a problem recognizing the value for that, just as you would for any other service provider. He’s just charging for parts.

If he’s outsourcing the whole thing and it costs him $250 to get the finished shirts delivered to him, then that’s a bull**** donation.

What Dids / ED said.

Correct solution here is a joint credit of $500 (which probably is one of your tier cutoffs) for both of them.

So instead of two separate Silver level donor acknowledgments crediting with $250 each, it's a single Gold level donor acknowledgment of $500 with both names on the entry.

Bumps them both up a tier by pooling their resources for a single combined donation.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/15/en...ntl/index.html

RIP Dolores. Probably deserves her own thread, she had a truly amazing voice.