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08-27-2020 , 10:46 AM

#5051

Howard Treesong

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OAFK,

Would you kindly stop this derail or take it to PMs? It's not relevant to the thread and unpleasant to read IMO.

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08-27-2020 , 10:48 AM

#5052

Garick

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

How is it prehistoric?

Pre white guy European history?

The Quechuan language was not written until it adopted the Latin alphabet post-contact. Thus, the era is before written records.

Last edited by Garick; 08-27-2020 at 10:49 AM. Reason: Sorry Howard, didn't see the above until I'd already posted.

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08-27-2020 , 10:56 AM

#5053

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

OAFK,

Would you kindly stop this derail or take it to PMs? It's not relevant to the thread and unpleasant to read IMO.

Ill post for as long as I find interest in the derail. Scrolling and not reading aint that hard bro.

I will include interesting wiki links in my replies though.

Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 08-27-2020 at 11:04 AM.

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08-27-2020 , 11:01 AM

#5054

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by Garick

The Quechuan language was not written until it adopted the Latin alphabet post-contact. Thus, the era is before written records.

They kept very accurate tax receipts though, and some argue that the system they used to do so could also be used for writing.

Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

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Some have argued that far more than numeric information is present and that quipus are a writing system. This would be an especially important discovery as there is no surviving record of written Quechua predating the Spanish invasion. Possible reasons for this apparent absence of a written language include an actual absence of a written language, destruction by the Spanish of all written records, or the successful concealment by the Inca peoples of those records. Making the matter even more complex, the Inca 'kept separate "khipu" for each province, on which a pendant string recorded the number of people belonging to each category.'[23] This creates yet another step in the process of decryption in addition to the Spanish attempts at eradicating the system.[24] Historians Edward Hyams and George Ordish believe quipus were recording devices, similar to musical notation, in that the notes on the page present basic information, and the performer would then bring those details to life.[25]

In 2003, while checking the geometric signs that appear on drawings of Inca dresses from the First New Chronicle and Good Government, written by Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala in 1615, William Burns Glynn found a pattern that seems to decipher some words from quipus by matching knots to colors of strings.

The August 12, 2005, edition of the journal Science includes a report titled "Khipu Accounting in Ancient Peru" by anthropologist Gary Urton and mathematician Carrie J. Brezine. Their work may represent the first identification of a quipu element for a non-numeric concept, a sequence of three figure-of-eight knots at the start of a quipu that seems to be a unique signifier. It could be a toponym for the city of Puruchuco (near Lima), or the name of the quipu keeper who made it, or its subject matter, or even a time designator.[26]

Beynon-Davies considers quipus as a sign system and develops an interpretation of their physical structure in terms of the concept of a data system

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08-27-2020 , 11:03 AM

#5055

COCKBOAT

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Originally Posted by Garick

What is it with people wanting to fight about words ITT? Although I don't think I'd have used the word ancient for that particular site, the above is definitely not true. Source: I am an historian.

*a historian

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08-27-2020 , 11:13 AM

#5056

Garick

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It's not a typo. I use the British tradition for a/an before an unstressed h. Fortunately, this one's not a derail, as I can link a Wikipedia article about it.

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08-27-2020 , 12:15 PM

#5057

NickMPK

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I'm an American, and I would say or write "an historian".
Either is fine.

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08-27-2020 , 12:28 PM

#5058

txdome

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Originally Posted by NickMPK

I'm an American, and I would say or write "an historian".
Either is fine.

Not in my class, bro.

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08-27-2020 , 12:28 PM

#5059

COCKBOAT

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That sort of usage is ancient.

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08-27-2020 , 12:55 PM

#5060

Garick

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Originally Posted by COCKBOAT

That sort of usage is ancient.

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I think it appropriate for an historian's linguistic usage to sound a bit antiquated.

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08-27-2020 , 12:59 PM

#5061

Didace

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To me it's not so much antiquated as pretentious.

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08-27-2020 , 01:07 PM

#5062

Garick

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08-27-2020 , 01:31 PM

#5063

kokiri

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There's no page for Mongolian cluster****, but there is one for the Mongolian death worm:

It is shaped like a sausage about two feet long, has no head nor leg and it is so poisonous that merely to touch it means instant death. It lives in the most desolate parts of the Gobi Desert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol...rm?wprov=sfla1

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08-27-2020 , 01:33 PM

#5064

Didace

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Originally Posted by Garick

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08-27-2020 , 01:42 PM

#5065

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by kokiri

There's no page for Mongolian cluster****, but there is one for the Mongolian death worm:

It is shaped like a sausage about two feet long, has no head nor leg and it is so poisonous that merely to touch it means instant death. It allegedly lives in the most desolate parts of the Gobi Desert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol...rm?wprov=sfla1

FYP.

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08-27-2020 , 02:05 PM

#5066

rickroll

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Originally Posted by Didace

sadly wiki doesn't have an entry on homoerotic boomer gif exchanging culture

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08-27-2020 , 02:16 PM

#5067

Garick

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A somewhat pig-like animal call the Lsytrosaurus was one of the few land animals to survive the Permian-Triasic Extinction and at one point it's estimated that 90% of living terrestrial vertebrates were Lsytrosauri.

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08-27-2020 , 03:09 PM

#5068

smartDFS

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Aphasia

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08-27-2020 , 07:52 PM

#5069

JayTeeMe

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I have a youtube i like about aphasia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEvTlW5SAes&t=2m11s
(I started the vid at the time he gets to it)

Wernicke's aphasia sounds so awful.

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08-28-2020 , 04:04 AM

#5070

smartDFS

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Simulation hypothesis
Intellectual rights to magic methods
Haitian Vodou
Hellen Keller
Ross-Littlewood Paradox

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08-28-2020 , 06:14 AM

#5071

rickroll

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08-28-2020 , 11:05 AM

#5072

suzzer99

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin

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The theremin (/ˈθɛrəmɪn/; originally known as the ætherphone/etherphone, thereminophone[2] or termenvox/thereminvox) is an electronic musical instrument controlled without physical contact by the thereminist (performer). It is named after its inventor, Leon Theremin, who patented the device in 1928.

The instrument's controlling section usually consists of two metal antennas that sense the relative position of the thereminist's hands and control oscillators for frequency with one hand, and amplitude (volume) with the other. The electric signals from the theremin are amplified and sent to a loudspeaker.

The sound of the instrument is often associated with eerie situations. Thus, the theremin has been used in movie soundtracks such as Miklós Rózsa's Spellbound and The Lost Weekend, Bernard Herrmann's The Day the Earth Stood Still, and Justin Hurwitz's First Man, as well as in theme songs for television shows such as the ITV drama Midsomer Murders. The theremin is also used in concert music (especially avant-garde and 20th- and 21st-century new music), and in popular music genres such as rock.

https://www.wqxr.org/story/theremin-100-anniversary/