Yes we are the paranoid ones, but its perfectly rational to think that if I tell the cop I was in a city he already knows I was in I'm going to get thrown in jail as he fabricates a crime I didn't do.

Wow...ur even stupider than I thought possible! Whatever....ignore what Judges and experienced criminal defence lawyers say.....you know so much more than them when it comes to the criminal justice system....moron.

Me: yes, what is this about?
Him: did you leave something in the car?
Me: I don't think so.
Him: there was a gun in the car when you returned it and we are wondering if it is yours.
Me: it isn't mine. I didn't take a gun to Portland.
Him: ok, thank you. Did you have anyone in the car with you at any time?
Me: no. I'm afraid I don't know anything about how it could have got there.
Him: thank you. Call me if you think of anything.

That was the last I heard of it.

I think I play it the same way if it happened today. I get the negative free roll aspect, but the possibility that I am endangering my freedom seems really remote and it is over and done. Results oriented, I know.

I haven't rented a car from a place not called Hertz or Enterprise since then.

A lot of mad but still no answer about these giant conspiracies that cause completely innocent people to get thrown in jail because they said they were in portland

Though it certainly carries a ton of weight when a defense attorney says that people should hire defense attorneys for everything

I think we have to be reasonable. "Were you in Portland" almost isn't a question, but rather the introduction to either (1) a line of questioning, or (2) being told you lost something and they've found it. If you answer and it turns out to be the former, you stop talking. If it's the latter, you get your phone or wallet or whatever back more quickly.

Further, and importantly, if they need for some reason to prove you were in Portland, they absolutely can. YOu're giving them nothing here. If you hadn't flown to Portland it might be a bit different.

Those concerned that starting to answer questions and later invoking your rights will look bad to a jury: Not in the United States, because they cant' be told that that's what happened. The jury will not be told that you declined to answer any question or otherwise submit to questioning.

surely that is a lie and you are posting from jail during your internet hour for the week

I should gouge my eyes out with my thumbs rather than ask, but let me see if I have this straight:

One act of a "marine policeman" calling a friend to return a wallet leads to the same reason being the most ****ing likely reason a Sergeant from the Portland Police Department would call Crash the day after his trip to ask him some questions? WTF? I'd say it's only slightly more likely than the Sgt. calling to let him know he's won the lottery and congratulate him.

When your friend was "tracked down" by the marine police, did they first ask him if he'd been in the bay/river/lake or general area, or did they just skip straight to the "we found your wallet" angle?

So given that Crash was able to fly out we can assume it's not his wallet, what else were they going to find that would lead them to his number so quickly? His engraved pants? Understand that I'd expect Crash to mention if he'd misplaced his blackberry while he was there.

I'm really stunned that people expect a decent-sized city's police department to devote sergeant manpower to rapid-response lost & found duty.

Am I missing something like this is done on the west coast?

No answer from you as to why you're so paranoid that you think Police, criminal defence lawyers are all involved in some giant conspiracy to get your money by advising you not to answer questions.

Watch the video moron!

And, this is my final post to you....there is no point in an educated, very experienced criminal defence lawyer like myself arguing with a moron like you who thinks they know the criminal justice system better than all the lawyers in the western world. I bet you also think cancer doesn't exist and it's just a big conspiracy that doctors, hospital administrators etc are in on to scam money from you....,moron.

I didn't say wallet -- I said property. Given that actually was the reason the police were calling I find it odd that you think my prediction was wrong despite it actually turning out to be correct.

The first sentence was have you been in the XXXX area recently.

I don't expect that the police are typically in the business of being a lost and found so it would have to be something important enough to justify them devoting time. Finding him would not be difficult if the item was left in either his hotel room, rental car, or the airport. There is also the possibility that his business card or something identifying him was with the item if it was left elsewhere.

man I bet you sound great in the courtroom, just calling everyone who disagrees a moron is sure to win over the jury!

your truly great work here is that somehow my thought that a defense attorney telling people to hire a defense attorney is ******ed conspiracy, but your thought that Im going to go to jail as an innocent person if I answer any question from cops is simple fact

No lawyer would carry on like this.

riverman can you confirm if this person is actually a lawyer? i assume all of you know each other

Nope...have never come across anyone as stupid as you in a courtroom thankfully. If all people were as stupid as you, we would get rid of juries and trials, as they'd all think like you, that every person charged with a crime is guilty.

Yep, probably only something like .001% of the population are that stupid, and moron is an appropriate term for them.

Right, property wallet, whatever.

Calling about a gun found in his rental car which they would know was not registered to him. You think this was a spot-on prediction? It may seem that way to Canadians looking into America, but calling someone about a found gun is not the same as calling about a radio.

Yeah, ok.

Airport?
C'mon man, what important item is he actually leaving that he hasn't realized he left by the next day?

+1

The story is obviously made up nonsense. And why would police call him about it as opposed to the hotel? etc etc. Absolute and utter nonsense.

It really depends on who you are. If you're an affluent white dude like Henry you're far less likely to run into problems like this.

lol, why would that be true?

Some of the people in this thread are making my head hurt.

I especially liked the part about no innocent people being in jail based solely on what they told the cops. Obviously that has never happened! It's a conspiracy, lawyer spends loads of time on tiny thread on the internet pumping conspiracy theories into posters heads so that they might go to a lawyer in the very rare case in their entire life they might need one, unnecessarily!

I found a picture of dkgojackets online:



I have no idea why this thread isn't locked, it is like trying to tell fundamentalist christians about evolution.

Wait you think I fabricated this? Why would I do that? Spending your days around sociopaths has not been good for your social aptitude.

I don't think you are fabricating. Unless you go on to say it was an AK-47 with a puppet, fedora, and sunglasses.

Because I say so!

OK, perhaps I should've gone w/ 'no lawyer would carry on like this unless they hadn't put down the bottle, spoon or needle, whichever the case might be, in a while.'

I don't really care, tbh, whether she's a lawyer or not except that she's not come up w/ anything original in many posts now and there may be ppl who will live by what she says. And then there's my experience: I've hired/worked with more lawyers than (insert guesswork multiple here) X% of 2p2'rs and I don't know a one that would act this way. I know it's the anon internet and all, but come on, enough already.

There has to be many more lawyers on 2+2. If they all posted here it would settle it.

But I guess it wouldn't because the tin foil hats would come out and they'd be accused of trying to drum up business if it went a certain way.

I have a story from one of my wife's clients (maybe two). Her client is in a dispute with her former employer that is heading towards a lawsuit related to her dismissal from the company. She suspects that the manager at her retail job has been stealing from the company, but this has nothing to do with the case. One day the cops show up at her door and tell her that they are investigating theft from her former job and that they suspect her manager was the bad guy. Delighted at this lucky turn of events which she believes is certainly karma, she tells them what she knows. Nothing is a smoking gun, but she has seen the manager do some stuff which is against company policy (processing gift cards with paperwork, but not running it through the register mostly).

Fast forward a couple of days and it turns out that they weren't actually investigating the manager. The manager had called them to report that she was stealing and the cops lied to her. They had precisely zero evidence against her until she talked. Now they believe that she described how she did it and they find three or four errors of fact in what she told them. The only one I remember was that she said that she worked with the manager on a particular day but in fact the manager didn't work that day. She ends up getting charged for the theft and my wife is livid at her because there is no chance she takes a charge if she doesn't talk to them. My wife is convinced they have no prayer of convicting her, but the plea bargain they offer is so awesome that they are seriously considering taking the deal when the civil case settles and the company backs away from the charges and they end up dismissing the criminal charge.

The second story involves a dude who is on parole for drug charges and is hanging out with his buddies in someone else's house when the cops bang in and search the place. They find a gun under a chair and ask the dude if it is his. He says "No, it belongs to Steve." This results in a parole violation hearing in which dude gets sent back to prison. If he doesn't admit to knowing the gun was there, he can't be charged.

She used to take some court appointed work because she's a brilliant liberal rockstar who thought she could fix the world, but now she doesn't really do any criminal work. I asked her how many of her clients would have been convicted if they never said a word to the cops and she said "None." Sure, there are times when you can talk yourself out of trouble -- I've done it. But you can also talk your way into jail. Even if the talk yourself into jail scenario is 1 in 100, I'd rather avoid it altogether personally.

In Howard's prostitution raids, I think confirming the details of your illegal transaction is 100% dumb. You have literally handed them a conviction if they are willing to write it up. They let him go because they didn't think going after the johns was worth the effort, but one assumes that the calculation would have been the same if he didn't hand them all the evidence they needed on plate.

I was referring to the cop in Portland calling about lost property story. And I don't think everyone here is a sociopath...lol.