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03-20-2005 , 08:09 PM
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03-20-2005 , 10:56 PM
Ok, time to get serious about these rules and the situation. We need some more details if we're ever going to figure out a DECENT estimate here.

Let's assume:
- You start in the middle of the basketball court area.
- The kids start randomly surrounding you.
- The kids have NORMAL 5-year-old intelligence, organization, and retention of information and training. The training they receive would give them broad tactical ability, like "swarm him" or "go for the legs", or "bite".
- The kids have ABNORMAL response to seeing you kick other kid asses. They simply don't fear you at all.
- The kids have an ABNORMAL threshhold for pain. I don't like "zombie kids" because I think that's giving them a little too much credit. I imagine a very determined 5-year-old, with NO super-strength or pain resistance - let's assume an adult-fighting-for-life pain threshhold.

Now to reiterate - everyone is wearing normal clothes. You get a cup. First, let's "know the enemy":

http://www.umext.maine.edu/onlinepub...Years/4251.htm

"By 5 years of age, an average child is 43 inches tall and weighs about 41 pounds. At 5 years of age, height can range from 40 to 47 inches and weight can range from 34 to 52 pounds."

Now reading all these posts, I think 30 is low if you have a decent enough strategy. A basketball court is plenty big - think of little kids playing kickball indoors or dodgeball or something - they would be fairly spread out to start. You can probably take out 5 or so before they get tightly grouped, and run around plucking them off. The real limitation becomes the size of the room, followed by exhaustion, but seriously, in a life-or-death sort of situation, I think it'd be very hard to lose against 30 without making a big mistake. People that are thinking 10 or fewer are obviously thinking of wrestling with little kids which is always an unfair situation - you're not trying to keep your distance, and they're not necessary trying not to hurt you, so occasionally you take a hit to the face or get smooshed or something. Imagine ugly green aliens with the same strength, speed, height and intelligence of 5 year olds and it's easier to imagine mopping up.

I would predict 50-60 for me, limited by the size of the room (the grabbing the leg tactic would eventually let them tip me I think, and there wouldn't be enough room to run). I think exhaustion wouldn't be such an issue at this level - you'd be winded but how long would this really take? 10 minutes absolute tops? More like 5. It would go very quickly once the clock started.

BTW, found this from waxy.org. Great thread.
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03-22-2005 , 08:46 PM
This thread is famous...sorta'

http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/showthread.php?t=34561
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03-23-2005 , 01:33 AM
This is what the average zombie 5 year old looks like. Know your enemy.

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03-23-2005 , 08:51 AM
Definitely at least 30. With the terms as they are for this battle royal (and assuming as another respondent said that my conscience would not get in the way of the repeated knocking 5 year olds unconscious) the 5 year olds would not have much of a chance to knock me out. I'm not saying it wouldn't get hairy at times, but the fact is that 5 year olds are like barely above toddlers and just simply would not recover quickly from a shot of any kind from a full grown adult fighting for his consciousness. Incidentally, whoever posted this should be commended for starting this thread. I have had similar debates on many occasions.
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03-23-2005 , 12:08 PM
Ever see The One, at the end where he is whoopin all the cons on the prison planet, That would be me whoopin Lil 5 year olds all day long. No 5 year old or group of 5 year olds would stand a chance against my Supa Powa Style Fighting skills.
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03-23-2005 , 02:18 PM
I actually can say from having run Judo classes for 5-8 year olds, that an infinite number would be unrealistic. Classes ranged from 18-25 participants, and the warm-up would be for them to come at me all at once, and I would dispatch them as I saw fit. Our rules were different, obviously, the students had to practice their break falls and rolls once I sent them flying, and our area was about a quarter of the size of a basketball gym. I would say around 45-60 would be a realistic number, given the space (quite large in a gym) and the fitness level of the person delivering the knockouts. In my case, while doing the warm ups with the classes, I often projected the kids into other oncoming students as a measure of self defense. It would be pretty easy to do similarly as this thread suggests. You wouldn't necessarily have to knock them all out on the first shot, but just buy some time.
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03-23-2005 , 05:10 PM
If the kids have clothes, some could be trained to take them off, manufacture ropes and nets out of their pants and shirts, and take you down, while others threaten you with charging en masse. If the training is differential, and the teams have labor division, it could get very interesting.
If you were in charge of training the kids and you knew how many you have, how would you do it?
How would you train 10 kids, 20, 30, 50?
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03-23-2005 , 05:30 PM
Now, we have a suggestion that 5 year olds be "trained" to take their clothes off. Is Michael Jackson a brown trout? Sup bro?
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03-23-2005 , 06:06 PM
Not so... a never ending amount CAN be accomplished... as follows:

No group of five-year-olds is going to out-stamina a normal adult male fighting for his life. Id keep running around until they run out of breath chasing me or until they fall asleep, then stomp on their windpipes as fast as I could get around to them...a rate of at least 2 per minute after I get into the swing of things.

With this in mind... I see wiping out about 30-60 of these guys initially (depending on the dispersion probabilities), enough to clear some terrain to maneuver in. Then, Id wait until they tire of chasing me (remember, my legs cover four times or more the distance of their legs).

While they rest, Id first build cover by piling the dead bodies into a rough fort configuration and improvise a weapon or two from the same, perhaps a leg bone or two with a head tied on via some gut. I'll need this fort and weaponry later.... With enough opponents taken down, I should be able to build at least a full four-sided fort around myself. Id try to slow their advance by use of bodily fluids and squishy parts to create a slick on the field. This would give enough cover and time advantage to negate arguments based on the swarm, overbear and take down approach they might employ.

Id begin the out-maneuvering and tiring them again phase after Ive made the makeshift fort. After tiring them out, Id begin killing them off at the rate of 2 per minute, once they pass out or lay down to rest (crush windpipes, snap necks, etc). Build up the mound around the fort while I do so... it's my future defense...Not to mention, it will likely be my primary source of future nutrition. I suspect their blood content may well also be the only source of water Ill encounter in this absurd scenario.

Since exhaustion is now my primary gating factor... I would rest in the fort of dead bodies I created. No 5-year-old is going to be able to climb through the squishy pile of his former 'friends' when they are piled ten high. Just in case, Id spend some of down time fashioning 8 caltrops made from rib bones tied together with gut, handily supplied by the now dead bodies. These would be strewn around the entrance.

I half suspect a few more kids will die trying to get in. Somewhere along the line, Id capture a few kids and tie them near the opening of the fort (with my clothes initially then eventually with rope made from gut). Doubtless they will give warning, albeit unintentionally, when the swarm starts trying to get in again.

I should be able to rest for 5-6 hours per night and still be functional, since I do this already...Five year olds need 8-10 hours per night...that give me three hours per day, at least, during which I can kill them at a rate of 2 per minute, or at least 180 per night.

Id be pretty tired for the first week or so of this. Fortunately, however, my high protein diet, coupled with pretty of lifting exercise and the aerobic exercise of running around, would soon have me in tiptop shape. Over time, Id be able to improve my standard of living somewhat, by fashioning bone knives from the remains. This would help me skin the dead bodies, as time permitted. This skin could be used for clothing, decorative rug, rope, to make nets with, and to cover pits with (a future project). First Id have to thoroughly wet them down and cure them with human urine. Thered be no lack of that.

Id have to rebuild my fort every couple of days. The stench would make it not inhabitable, eventually. Fortunately, theres no lack of raw materials

Having now accomplished the food, water and shelter requirements of Maslowes pyramid, Id now begin my longer-term project of reconciling my bleak existence dealing with the endless swarm of human five-year-olds and my understanding of natural law

BR
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03-23-2005 , 06:49 PM
I actually have a little experience in this weird though it seems. From my login name you can guess a previous occupation. I used to do hospital visit and play with the children on wards on the weekends when the play rooms were closed.

On the day in question a young lad named Myles (Yes he was 5) organised the other kids (Mixed ages but none over 10) to grab my ankles and lower legs. Once they were latched on they pushed until I toppled over. They then sat on me (It takes surprisingly few to weigh you down) and Myles stood on my head cracking it off the floor. Then in his excitement he dropped a turd on my face and the smell almost knocked me out.

I wouldn't go for the toughest kids or the biggest kids but the smartest kids. They are the ones that'll get you.

Back to the question at hand though. Presuming I am not hindered by big shoes, floppy hat, fake wig, bag full of balloons and being limited in my retaliation of pretending to cry then I reckon 20 - 30 is reasonable if they don't get co-ordinated. Half of that sitting on your chest is enough to stop you breathing and blacking out so does that count as a win for them?

Much more than 30 and you should expect to get crapped on

Jaz
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03-23-2005 , 06:51 PM
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I actually have a little experience in this weird though it seems. From my login name you can guess a previous occupation. I used to do hospital visit and play with the children on wards on the weekends when the play rooms were closed.

On the day in question a young lad named Myles (Yes he was 5) organised the other kids (Mixed ages but none over 10) to grab my ankles and lower legs. Once they were latched on they pushed until I toppled over. They then sat on me (It takes surprisingly few to weigh you down) and Myles stood on my head cracking it off the floor. Then in his excitement he dropped a turd on my face and the smell almost knocked me out.

I wouldn't go for the toughest kids or the biggest kids but the smartest kids. They are the ones that'll get you.

Back to the question at hand though. Presuming I am not hindered by big shoes, floppy hat, fake wig, bag full of balloons and being limited in my retaliation of pretending to cry then I reckon 20 - 30 is reasonable if they don't get co-ordinated. Half of that sitting on your chest is enough to stop you breathing and blacking out so does that count as a win for them?

Much more than 30 and you should expect to get crapped on

Jaz
POTD canidate
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03-23-2005 , 06:52 PM
I was just going to suggest that part of the kids' training could be to throw their poop at you aiming for the eyes.
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03-23-2005 , 07:12 PM
This thread will never die.
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03-23-2005 , 07:31 PM
It was very popular when I crossposted it to another forum, as well.

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03-23-2005 , 08:29 PM
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No way. 5-year-olds don't often get hit by someone whose life (or simulated life) depends on the little kids getting seriously hurt. One shot to most of these kids will put them on the ground, and even if they get up they'll be crying and incapacitated.

-Michael
* The kids are motivated enough to not get scared, regardless of the bloodshed. Even the very last one will give it his/her best to take you down.


I think people need to think of the 5 yr olds as animals and not babies. Or let me put it this way, would your answers change if we changed the question to same sized dwarves/midgets/little people?

Animals? Most 5 year olds have trouble assembling a transformer. A 5 year old is a minimal threat, regardless of numbers.
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03-23-2005 , 08:47 PM
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If the kids get a little training, there's no way you can take on 30. One of them is going to get in a good shot below the belt. Then another will. Then another. You'll go down soon enough. Soon, you'll be getting kicked in the head and then it's lights-out.
Having not frequented OOT too often, this is the first time i stumbled across this thread. Having read this post, this is the second time today that I burst out laughing in a gradschool class.

-Brad
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03-23-2005 , 08:52 PM
Ok now thats three times burst out laughing in class today.
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03-23-2005 , 10:23 PM
So why do all of you assume it's a guy doing the defense? I used to be a field hockey goalie, and I have no nuts to defend.

Now, if they had adult planning skills, it would be much tougher... After all, if we were talking about 30 40-lb dogs, we might not be so optimistic. So - are teeth that much more worrisome than hands? If 3 kids hug each leg, what does that do to your maneuverability? Can a couple of them line up to form a knee-high barrier behind you that you can be pushed down over? Plus the downed attackers would be easy to stumble over...

If you fall and they pin each limb, the weight would be difficult. If they just go for the torso, then not so many can concentrate on the area.

My conclusion: if they don't get you down in a hurry and you can pick off a number of them right away, they are unlikely to prevail.
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03-24-2005 , 08:46 PM
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This thread will never die.
A non-poker playing colleague at work just emailed me this link. It's really getting around the world. I love the internet.
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03-24-2005 , 08:52 PM
200
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03-25-2005 , 05:25 AM
thought this thread could use 400 posts. it's funny because this was the question debated every day at lunch for an entire summer on this bike trip i was doing, except the question was posed as a gymnasium full of 8th graders. we decided they were too chicken [censored] to band together and as you'd only have to take them on one at a time, the answer was really a factor of stamina.
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03-25-2005 , 06:08 AM
People keep talking about the need for a cup. And how this will up their numbers. I don't think it matters.

I have seen a small man beat up 8 adult males. Yah I just watched. Why make it 9 hey? When a guy loses it he is unstopable. Hit him in the nuts he does not notice. This cannot be sustained for long however so time is the limit. Unless drugs are used of course. What if we put the kids on drugs?

So the number is based on how nuts you can go. This is a god given gift and cannot be learned. And how long you can keep it up. This is based on drug intake and or motivation.

People also fail to realize how fast a crazy guy could take these kids out. 30 could be done in under 1 min if he can bite and the kids don't work together perfectly.

Anyways I could not take more than 10, if no freaks were in my batch. I just don't get mad even when attacked. It would be hard not to laugh really. But I know guys and gals I would put money on that could take as many as you can fit into the room.

These guys are rare but they were 5 year olds at one time also. And I don't think I could take more than 2 of these sobs when they were 5.

ps When I was 6ish I was chopping wood and almost took off a toe. I'm told I didn't cry. What if the beggars don't feel pain! All that crying could be bs for attention!
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03-25-2005 , 06:00 PM
I have been reading all the comments on this topic..great discussion guys. Most everyone would agree that the weakness of the 5 year olds is their size and ability to have the mindset of such a task. So, I question the board to this. How many adult midgets could you take out. Same rules apply.
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03-25-2005 , 06:03 PM
Didn't Michael Jackson do this once?
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