Say wat?

The moon is going over 2000 mph through space. The sun doesn't follow it around the earth, it is essentially staying in one place. Therefore the moon's shadow is going to be moving pretty fast too, whether it's being cast on the earth or not.

Whoops, those are reptiles....man I haven't taken bio in a while.

Reptiles would fly south for the winter if they weren't running the world.

This is pathetic. So much nonsense comes from team globe and no one calls anyone out on it. See:

Completely backwards AGAIN. Compasses don't even make sense on a globe. They point north because it's the center, where the sun, moon and stars are rotating from, like the hands on a clock.

Still waiting on an explanation how two people walking towards each other from hundreds of miles away can BOTH be going DOWNHILL as would happen when walking on a ball. All points on a globe are the top, no?

Complete nonsense.

You missed this one, moo: So in December, when it is nighttime and summer in Australia and daytime and winter in the United States, which one is the sun closer to? If it is closer to Australia, why can they not see it and America can?

Also, to your point, on a ball there is no downhill or uphill based on the curvature of the ball. The North Pole is only "uphill" from the equator because of human-imposed perspective. You could just as easily view earth where the prime meridian is the equator and the earth spins top over bottom instead of side to side.

What is the catalyst that causes a compass to point to the center. Trying to learn here.
No, there is no top. Also, I reject your definition of "downhill".

Compass doesn't even point to the middle of a fe. Why isn't it the middle? Please explain.

It will be hard for someone that doesn't believe in gravity to understand this:

"Downhill" on the surface of a globe means towards the center of gravity, which on the earth is deep in the core. So on the "bottom", "side", or "top" going "downhill" all means basically toward a lower altitude. Just like 2 people on a FE walking toward each other could be, if they were headed to a lower altitude.

I'm still waiting for him to explain why surveyors allow for curvature of the globe in their calculations.

How is that possible? He was admitted to, and attended, that fine institute of higher booklearnin', Duke University.

Mental illness also strikes educated men.

You were told this. Unless, you have any experience doing it yourself?

Other comments are kinda funny. I got a good scolding for not thinking 3D enough and you guys can't see how walking around a ball should have a dip in it due to curvature.

Getting back to the eclipse, I cannot adequately set up an experiment that is close enough to proper proportions, distances, speeds etc..

I don't get how the moon going at a faster speed explains the retrograde motion of the shadow while the moon continues falling behind the sun every second in our skies to create the lunar cycles. It's difficult to grasp and verify in words only.

I need experience to learn anything. The first time I cook a new meal is usually a shaky experience even though I understand the recipe/directions perfectly.

This is a picture I took of the waning crescent moon on April 24th at 5:48 AM. The sun had not risen yet, and the sunlight's reflection on the moon does not point to the horizon at all. It's pointing to the left. Not what I had expected to see at all, especially when compared to the waxing crescent pictured 3 days later



Here the light points to the horizon, which makes perfect sense with heliocentric model. Not the first one, though. What gives?

Is every other planet a sphere except for Earth? Asking for a friend.

So we can add surveyors to the list of conspirators? The list is getting awfully long.

Just remember: you can't learn about something without experiencing it.

How did we figure out death? When you're alive you don't experience it you witness others experiencing it.

Just realized an old job would make me part of this conspiracy

Still waiting on several questions

Here is FE:



Center is the North Pole.
First red circle is the Equator
Yellow circle is the Tropic of Capricorn
Second red circle is the edge of the earth.

Radius pointing directly down is 0 degrees longitude ( the Great Meridian, aka Greenwich Mean Time/GMT)
Radius pointing up and to the right is 120 degrees east longitude
The intersection of this line and the Tropic of Capricorn represents the position of the sun at 4 am GMT on Dec 22

When the sun is at this position its light is somehow shining on the bottom of the map (sunrise is just before 4 am on Dec 22 at 60 degrees South Latitude so everything south of this point on the map will be lit) without also shining at the North Pole. How?

• Also waiting for an explanation why the speed of the sun traveling over the earth slows down from Sep - Dec even though it's supposedly traveling a longer distance according to FE (from the equator circle to the Trop of Cap circle), and why it speeds up from Dec - Mar even though it's supposedly traveling a shorter distance (Trop of Cap to equator). (See diagram above)

• Also waiting for an explanation of how a non-sphere sun (and moon) always looks like a sphere as it moves farther away during the day

• Also waiting for an explanation of how everywhere in the Southern Hemisphere they see the same constellations when they face directly south, even though on a FE they are all looking in different directions. (See diagram above - how can the person looking directly away from the North Pole along the bottom radial line see the same thing as a person looking along any other radial line?)

I think moo might just not be bright enough to understand the explanations. BigOT on the other hand is being disingenuous in his discussion; whether he believes his BS or not is irrelevant.

There is actually an answer for this one (one of the youtube videos posted). It's big mirrors. It's hilarious.

As obvious as it is, I don't think I've seen this question asked before!

I think I need to see this.