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So I'm guessing a lump of metal weighs a lot less when the moon is overhead than when it isn't, compared to a lump of wood, which would stay the same weight?

That's a pretty easy experiment to test out.

06-04-2017 , 05:31 PM

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None of this matters, if you accelerate at 10m/s^2 your speed increases by 10m/s every second, it really is that simple. They don't use a different definition in special relativity.

The thing that changes is the equation for your energy as a function of speed, as your speed approaches the speed of light the energy (mass) goes to infinity, which means maintaining a constant acceleration becomes impossible as you get close to the speed of light.

Yes, because real physics would require an enormous force to accelerate the earth, and that force couldn't be maintained as we approach c. FE doesn't really believe in physics so they would have no answer for this.

06-05-2017 , 12:34 PM

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I don't get it. It requires the same energy to provide 1g of acceleration to the people in the spaceship whether you're at 1m/s or 0.9999 of the speed of light.

06-05-2017 , 02:44 PM

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I don't get it. It requires the same energy to provide 1g of acceleration to the people in the spaceship whether you're at 1m/s or 0.9999 of the speed of light.

That's where you're wrong. It requires more energy to maintain the same acceleration, the faster the velocity gets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy–momentum_relation has some clues as to why.

06-05-2017 , 04:42 PM

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That's where you're wrong. It requires more energy to maintain the same acceleration, the faster the velocity gets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy–momentum_relation has some clues as to why.

Not only did I believe that to be case, but I thought that that was exactly the same point he was making earlier in the thread? (Like, less than 100 posts ago.)

06-05-2017 , 08:47 PM

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It depends on if you are in the frame of reference of the ship or an outside observer

06-06-2017 , 10:01 AM

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It depends on if you are in the frame of reference of the ship or an outside observer

True statement that doesn't really add anything.

06-06-2017 , 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil S

True statement that doesn't really add anything.

Yes, I agree and laid this out earlier. Being able to accelerate near the speed of light when time dilation means that eventually time passing in your frame is important to realize because it means that since we perceive time to still pass at all we are below the speed of light. At 1g you pass speed of light in under a year, therfore if you agree that you've perceived 1 year passing then the premise is debunked based on relativity.

06-07-2017 , 12:54 AM

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None of that is happening because we are able to observe cosmic events in a normal timeframe. Otherwise we'd see Halley's Comet every few seconds, etc. Or rather the CGI of Halley's comet.

06-08-2017 , 09:50 AM

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soemtimes when you flatten the earth people come out of it. Sometimes the earf sends something back!

07-06-2017 , 09:37 PM

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Interesting examination of daylight and sunlight.

07-06-2017 , 10:08 PM

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Jmaking gonna sue you into the ground, persia-boy.

07-07-2017 , 10:14 AM

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Was it ever explained how eclipses work? If the sun and the moon are about the same distance above us, why is the eclipse only (basically) a pin point on the earth?

07-07-2017 , 10:53 AM

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If there was a miniature version of our universe the size of a beach ball, and a way to project a moving hand across the tiny universe, it would complete its travel in approx. 2 seconds our time, but relative to the time for those who inhabit such a small universe, it should be expected that the image of the hand travels below their cosmic speed limit. As a result, to them our world is frozen, but to us theirs is indefinitely far into our future.

07-10-2017 , 02:09 AM

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"How far away is the sun?" "How old is the earth?" "How do you explain the disparity in transoceanic flight transit times that would be predicted in your FE model." "Why is it that none of your FE true believers are willing to travel to your alleged ice wall and document the existence of something that would shatter the worldview of the "indoctrinated" and expose scientism for the hoax you claim it is."

There are a host of other questions that have been posed, but not answered. Quite frankly, I don't give a **** if you answer those questions. But the question I would like answered is this. Has your list of "inconsistencies" convinced you that the earth is flat?

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While I'd like to believe that nukes don't exist, I think it would be more than a little reckless to allow rogue nations like North Korea to tinker in an unrestricted way to make one. You know, just on the off-chance that bigot is wrong about those nukes.

If you believe in the globe it makes sense you'd still believe in news and politics. Do you have any first hand experience of North Korean society? How can you be so sure of what really goes on there?

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As to your notion that the Big Bang is the foundation of "everything" we believe, I'll remind you that much of what has been discussed itt was formulated long before the Big Bang was postulated. Heliocentrism, gravity, the speed of light, relativity all preceded any thought about the Big Bang. Your statement is just silly.

What's the point you're making here? The big bang wasn't postulated first, so it is less fundamental? You can't back up the globe without outer space, and you can't back up outer space without the big bang.

07-10-2017 , 02:16 AM

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Being able to observe something doesn't require an explanation of all its facets. If I asked you how airplanes work and you couldn't answer every last question, should I say that you're wrong about all the questions you could answer?

If you believe in the globe it makes sense you'd still believe in news and politics. Do you have any first hand experience of North Korean society? How can you be so sure of what really goes on there?

What's the point you're making here? The big bang wasn't postulated first, so it is less fundamental? You can't back up the globe without outer space, and you can't back up outer space without the big bang.

Where TF have you been?

07-10-2017 , 03:24 AM

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Where TF have you been?

Probably globe trotting

07-10-2017 , 07:29 AM

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Where TF have you been?

Been to see the ice wall.

07-10-2017 , 10:56 AM

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The Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown episode on Antarctica was pretty decent. Didn't see any Ice Walls or unknowable beyonds though, sadly.

07-10-2017 , 11:23 AM

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#FakeNews

07-10-2017 , 11:44 AM

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Didn't see any Ice Walls or unknowable beyonds though, sadly.

If you could see them they wouldn't be unknowable.

07-10-2017 , 12:02 PM

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Being able to observe something doesn't require an explanation of all its facets. If I asked you how airplanes work and you couldn't answer every last question, should I say that you're wrong about all the questions you could answer?

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What's the point you're making here? The big bang wasn't postulated first, so it is less fundamental? You can't back up the globe without outer space, and you can't back up outer space without the big bang.

This is an A+ combo, well done

07-10-2017 , 03:15 PM

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The big bang is not observable. The stars supposed movement away from each other is not observable either. There's nothing contradictory about my post.

I think the true hypocrisy is demanding answers from me without providing any answers of our accepted model of the universe. It should be simple to do, if it is true.

Just like how I've mentioned time and time again that the horizon is always level, and water does not curve. That right there is enough logic to prove earth is flat, anyone can comprehend a truth as plain and self evident as that.