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05-17-2017 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
not good enough. this is a stream of water. not a resting body. thanks, though. In other news



/flatearth? no
A beautiful example of gravity curving water!
05-17-2017 , 09:25 AM
ROFL and you guys call ME a troll

/doublestandard
05-17-2017 , 09:36 AM
Would also appreciate an explanation on how mercury and venus are visible during night time if they are 100% closer to the sun than we are. Should only be visible during the day.

Come on, gizmodo says globers are the smart ones. should be a simple explanation, right?
05-17-2017 , 09:51 AM
The distance between the sun and Venus is 72% of the distance between the sun and the Earth. The picture below shows the orbits of Earth and Venus around the sun.

Roughly speaking, you can see Venus from Earth at night except when the line between Venus and Earth goes through the sun.

05-17-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
Would you mind telling me what this guy gets wrong, sorry about UTOOBIN but this is my understanding of the stars/sun/moon motions.

I watched this video. You ask what it gets wrong, the answer is everything. It is a good example of how there can be multiple models of a system that explain certain observations so you have to examine the places where the models differ and then perform experiments to determine which model better agrees with the experimental results.

An example of a very simple experiment: travel to a point slightly north of the equator and locate Polaris in the night sky. It will be very low on the horizon. Then travel to a point slightly south of the equator and attempt to locate Polaris in the sky. You can't. Apply these observations to both a flat and spherical model of the Earth and see which one explains the observations. One of them will be able to, the other will not.
05-17-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by econophile
The distance between the sun and Venus is 72% of the distance between the sun and the Earth. The picture below shows the orbits of Earth and Venus around the sun.

Roughly speaking, you can see Venus from Earth at night except when the line between Venus and Earth goes through the sun.

Hah, how could you even explain **** like this with a FEM (flat earth model) I would wonder.
05-17-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
Hah, how could you even explain **** like this with a FEM (flat earth model) I would wonder.
Jesus hung Venus in the firmament after using a studfinder to make sure there was a steady anchor.
05-17-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by econophile
You suppose their orbits are caused by gravity, correct?

I would say their orbits are caused my electromagnetism coming from the north pole.

Skip ahead to ~9:40, best example I could quickly find.
05-17-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
Hah, how could you even explain **** like this with a FEM (flat earth model) I would wonder.
The model has been explained many times, you just aren't grasping it. See above.
05-17-2017 , 12:36 PM
Stop with this horse**** of "you can't understand our simple model", when half of the answers are "no one knows" or "speculation is" or random mumbojumbo.

You haven't once explained how your model explains southern hemisphere flight times (other than hazy handwaving of "those flights are all fake").

It doesn't explain the clear and concise issue posted on this page regarding why you can only view Polaris from the northern hemisphere.

It doesn't explain how it is warmer at night in northern hemisphere Julys than during the daytime in July in the southern hemisphere.

It doesn't explain why when standing in the northern hemisphere looking south, the stars go to the horizon, instead of extending up along the rising firmament dome as your 'model' would say they should. (I bet your answer is "perspective", which completely doesn't address the issue that you can't make a ceiling that rises away from the floor for thousands of miles look from ground level like it touches the floor.)

It doesn't explain how the entire aviation and GPS industries are all in on the conspiracy or how they work when they work off of globe-earth assumptions (again just hand-waved as 'non sequitur', when that is blatantly false).
05-17-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Stop with this horse**** of "you can't understand our simple model", when half of the answers are "no one knows" or "speculation is" or random mumbojumbo.

You haven't once explained how your model explains southern hemisphere flight times (other than hazy handwaving of "those flights are all fake").

El Diablo should go book one and write a trip report. Also theyre as many issues with globe based flight routes that make 0 sense. You can say flights prove RE while I can simultaneously say they prove FE

It doesn't explain the clear and concise issue posted on this page regarding why you can only view Polaris from the northern hemisphere.

Perspective. Hang a flat disc above you and walk away from it, how long until you are no longer able to see its face? We've said they arent spheres.

It doesn't explain how it is warmer at night in northern hemisphere Julys than during the daytime in July in the southern hemisphere.

Sun's height is variable. Sun cannot stay above southern hemisphere as long as it does in north.

It doesn't explain why when standing in the northern hemisphere looking south, the stars go to the horizon, instead of extending up along the rising firmament dome as your 'model' would say they should. (I bet your answer is "perspective", which completely doesn't address the issue that you can't make a ceiling that rises away from the floor for thousands of miles look from ground level like it touches the floor.)

Perspective

It doesn't explain how the entire aviation and GPS industries are all in on the conspiracy or how they work when they work off of globe-earth assumptions (again just hand-waved as 'non sequitur', when that is blatantly false).
Theyve mapped something flat on to a globe. Math. What a difficult concept!
The model has been explained plenty, you just aren't grasping it.
05-17-2017 , 01:02 PM
You can get a 4k 60fps camera on Amazon for 50 bucks, but somehow what's over the ice wall is a COMPLETE MYSTERY.

Not one person has managed to get a boat and go see. Not one.
05-17-2017 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
You can get a 4k 60fps camera on Amazon for 50 bucks, but somehow what's over the ice wall is a COMPLETE MYSTERY.

Not one person has managed to get a boat and go see. Not one.
NASA/NOAA/FAA/UN snipers though.
05-17-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
You can get a 4k 60fps camera on Amazon for 50 bucks, but somehow what's over the ice wall is a COMPLETE MYSTERY.

Not one person has managed to get a boat and go see. Not one.
This argument is so poor it borders on trolling.
05-17-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
Hah, how could you even explain **** like this with a FEM (flat earth model) I would wonder.
Day faces the sun, night faces away.

SNAP

thanks for the .gif econophile. it's commendable you're actually providing info for the globe model compared to the usual responses on your side.
05-17-2017 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
El Diablo should go book one and write a trip report. Also theyre as many issues with globe based flight routes that make 0 sense. You can say flights prove RE while I can simultaneously say they prove FE
Please list the flight routes that don't make sense with a RE model. I have listed specific bookable flight routes and flight times that are impossible on FE.

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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Perspective. Hang a flat disc above you and walk away from it, how long until you are no longer able to see its face? We've said they arent spheres.
OK. So how are some stars visible on South America and Australia but not in the Northern Hemisphere? http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1...sphere-020515/

Please illustrate in your very simple model how something is viewable from opposite ends of the flat earth but not in the central zone of the flat earth.

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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Sun's height is variable. Sun cannot stay above southern hemisphere as long as it does in north.
What is your proof of the sun's height being variable? What is the height of the sun above the flat earth? Since you hand-wave away with mumbo jumbo about Sun can't stay above southern hemisphere as long as it does in north, OK, then flip it. Why is it warmer in Sydney at midnight on December 25th than it is in Chicago at noon on December 25th?

It doesn't explain why when standing in the northern hemisphere looking south, the stars go to the horizon, instead of extending up along the rising firmament dome as your 'model' would say they should. (I bet your answer is "perspective", which completely doesn't address the issue that you can't make a ceiling that rises away from the floor for thousands of miles look from ground level like it touches the floor.)

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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Perspective
That's not how perspective works, but thanks for giving the expected answer. Perspective doesn't make a raising roof reach the floor. Imagine you were standing in the Superdome, but at a much grander scale. You are standing on the goal line, looking to the opposite end. But you can only see to the 50 yard line. The dome ceiling above you rises away from you as it goes toward the 50. It will not appear to touch the field at the 'horizon'.


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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Theyve mapped something flat on to a globe. Math. What a difficult concept!The model has been explained plenty, you just aren't grasping it.
LOL at math. Again you just offer vacuous statements. Google 'projections' and see the issue between taking what's on a globe and mapping it to a flat surface. The standard "flat map" makes Greenland, for example, MUCH larger than it actually is because of distortions toward the poles.

A GPS will say that it is MUCH shorter distance between points in the Southern Hemisphere than what a flat earth model says. You think they can just say "MATH" and make it where a pilot doesn't realize that what on a globe is a 500 mile trip is actually 1800 miles or whatever?
05-17-2017 , 01:39 PM
already been posted ITT

05-17-2017 , 01:40 PM
Also there are reports of polaris being visible from the tropic of capricorn, also been posted ITT
05-17-2017 , 01:42 PM
I remember seeing this flight path when i was like, 8 years old and I was all WTF dad!? and he couldn't answer it. Just like when I asked why the moon was visible in the day. Just like my teachers etc..

05-17-2017 , 01:42 PM
1) A map with red lines on it doesn't necessarily reflect actual flights. Show me the actual flights
2) Those are flights with layovers, not direct flights. Show me a flight that goes from Australia to South America that flies over the United States without stopping. One flight. Amazing how there are no reports from flights where people say "WTF I was on a direct flight from Sydney to Santiago and look out the window and it's the Golden Gate Bridge"
05-17-2017 , 01:50 PM
#doyourownresearch

https://www.flightradar24.com/
05-17-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
#doyourownresearch

https://www.flightradar24.com/
OK. Took me 30 seconds to find this flight going from Madagascar to Bangkok, flying across the Indian Ocean instead of across Africa and the Middle East as FE would require.

05-17-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
I remember seeing this flight path when i was like, 8 years old and I was all WTF dad!? and he couldn't answer it. Just like when I asked why the moon was visible in the day. Just like my teachers etc..

JFC you're dumb. Have you ever flown or is that outside your budget too? Do you get confused about layovers.
05-17-2017 , 02:11 PM
I can't say I've paid much attention to the flight path pics moo has been posting, but if he's consistently been posting routes with layovers, that's truly hilarious.

      
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