MLYLT,


Not everyone lives in Bum****, East Texas.

This is an absurdly general question, so I don't expect any good answers, but I was hoping that I could get someone to ball park it.

Assume you have an empty lot near where you live and you want to build a 2 story, 5K sq ft house on it.

Of the building costs, what fraction is materials and what fraction is labor?

The percentages skew greatly dependent on how custom you want it. If you’ve got a builder pumping out a bunch of them it might be 40% labor. If you’re going to have more custom woodworking/plastering/tile/ masonry it could be 60+.

So there’s your not very good answer.

Most things construction you can assume that materials are only about 30-40% of the cost IME. I do all of my own work FWIW, but I am not a contractor so not the best to answer...

The old Sears home kits told you to expect to pay a contractor about the same amount that you payed Sears for the kit. Sounds like a very general answer of 50/50 is still in the ballpark.

Everywhere bum**** is pretty cheap, except of course downtown Los Angeles, where bums actually ****. 2 bd 1000sf condo 2 blocks from skid row is almost $700k.

thanks

This is a dumb overly broad question so if it's literally impossible to answer let me know.

In my basement I have a bathroom that is in a dumb spot. The prior owners built it like 4' away from the wall of the house. The main floor bathroom is in the same position, but against the wall, so in the unfinished portion of the basement you can see the contortions the piping is forced to make. The basement is nothing special. Single sink, low end toilet, tub, shower. Ugly tile, ugly paint. Basic mirror.

We are considering some extensive basement remodeling (mentioned earlier in thread) and one thing we're thinking of bringing back into the options is moving the bathroom either a lot or a little. It seems like fixtures/tile/etc to replace if needed would be fairly cheap (how cheap, idk, but we're not looking for a high end bathroom). Any estimates on what it would cost to basically move a simple bathroom about 4'? The sewer access is immediately next behind the wall of the bathroom, and as implied, the space we'd be moving toward is unfinished/concrete.

probably add 20-50% onto whatever it would cost to revo the bathroom without moving it. now you have to dig up your slab to move piping.

For a non luxury bathroom, it seems like sub $5000 is entirely reasonable for pretty small bathroom, potentially including moving it (from some googling)? Are the unit costs associated with digging into slab significant such that if I wanted to move the bathroom another 20' down the wall it would be impactful, or is this more of a "you're paying to get the guy to show up, pipe and concrete are pretty cheap" situation?

Is it a 1/2 bath or full bath? Sub 5k for a bathroom seems incredibly low unless you're doing all the labor yourself.

Moving the bathroom 20' would likely be very impactful to the price and perhaps not even possible depending on how the drains run under the slab.

Is it not possible to rearrange the bathroom using the existing drains that go thru the slab without moving the plumbing (but perhaps flipping the direction the toilet faces) to get the bathroom up against the wall, or in a better location?

It would be helpful if you posted a floor plan, and a couple of pics.

If you moved the bathroom 20’ and they had to dig 20’ of trench for the pipe, it would cost more in labor than doing the same for 5’. Parts and labor to repour and repipe are going to be fairly negligible in the comparison

Like everything else, you could get wildly different quotes based on the contractors level of want/need/interest to do the job or

Appreciate all the feedback. Here's floorplan, which I think I posted before and got great help with from the architect POV too. As we've gotten deeper in our process with these things, I think our appetite for a larger potential scope of work has changed too.



In the end, what we want down there:

1. An office/guest room
2. A bathroom
3. Laundry/linens
4. Space for exercise room (weights + 1 cardio machine)
5. Storage
6. Family/TV room
7. Make the stairs safer and real stairs (will impact all floors of house)

Potentially, depending on other parts of house:

A. Mudroom stuff

Because we started by approaching naively, we were like:

- Workshop --> bedroom
- Existing family room + bathroom
- Laundry area gets some polishing up
- back/other area gets a floor, basically, and turned into exercise space
- stairs get slight adjustment/expansion roughly in place

But generally what we're realizing is that the bathroom forcing the hallway to be against the wall, and other things related to thinking about the existing workroom/family room as "locked in to place" have made us really limited in our thinking about potential floorplans.

So if it's actually not that much more expensive to move things around, why not? The finished living space sure, that's easy that's just moving walls around (roughly), but the bathroom has pipes and stuff?

All thoughts appreciated! We have been interviewing architects about upstairs and downstairs, but haven't made any decisions about really anything yet.

You are probably looking at $5k to move your plumbing 4'. Maybe I didn't read it right but, jackhammering, moving shower drain, toilet drain, sink drain, and maybe vent pipes, then concreting it back up is a lot of work. Plus you need to move your water lines to the new locations. Plus another 3-4k labor for bathtub install, tub valve, toilet install, vanity, and faucet install, tile installation(could be a lot more $15-$35sq), shower door install. Not to mention drywall bathroom, lights, paint.

It depends on far you want to move the bathroom. The determining factor would be the toilet. That drain line needs to be able to grade down obviously. I doubt you would be able to move to a corner of the basement as you could not make grade. You would have to install a pit and pump system to make that work.

Cutting the concrete, doing ground work, relaying concrete, framing, rough in drains and waters and tub (if installing), drywall and paint and tile, install fixtures. You would need inspection after ground work, rough in, and finish if you are paying for permits.

Just the plumbing would be least three days if I was doing it. Most likely more. With parts and labor it would be closer to $10,000. Just for the plumbing. Then there is drywall, painting tile work, electrical, etc.

Hope you have a good general contractor that can do most of it. Good luck.

You should have water by and drain by the laundry. Put a wall next laundry with bathroom on otherside next to back wall. It may even get that back wall window. Extend the family room bac(giving it more room) with a door somewhere in the extended wall to the back basement storage.

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Toilet needs to be at least a 3 inch drain. Laundry is only going to be a 2 inch line.

Thanks for feedback. Sheesh, things are more expensive than I'd have guessed considering digging a trench, installing a sump pump, installing all the piping and french tile, installing concrete, etc, for permaseal/waterproofing was like $11k!

For what it's worth (maybe nothing?) there are a couple of perhaps important features of the water and draining system currently, so I've updated the image:



- The sump pump itself is at the star
- The main sewer hookup is at the rectangle. This is both where some dude put a camera to inspect our hookup to the sewer during inspection and where the sump pump lines out to. Yes we probably should have waited to install the sump pump until we definitely knew the layout. Hopefully it either doesn't cause problems or can be relocated in some minor way if need be.
- There are two drains in the ground (I have no idea the nature of these but like, if there were water in the basement it would in theory just flow out of these?) at the ovals. I assume they in some way hook up with the main sewer stuff.

Yes if there is a backup it will come up the floor drains first. The pump is just for groundwater? It should pump up and into the stack. That would be easy to reroute. But all of the drains still need to be vented. So you would have to reuse the current vents for the lower bathroom. Should be one 2 inch vent for the bathroom and a 2 inch vent over by the laundry. The floor drain in the boiler room should also have a vent.

Pump was just installed for the permaseal system, so yes just deals with ground water. Pumps up to the ceiling, across the existing narrow walkway, and down into the rectangle marker. I'm sure that rerouting where the above ground PVC goes wouldn't be a problem. Would it be a non-giant pain to move where the pump itself is, if it was a consideration?

I don't know much about vents. I assume they exist where they are needed, which might be a silly assumption. But otherwise IDK. I'm guessing (again similar idk) that if we have someone come through and gut the place they'd bring other stuff up to code in the process.

You have the main sewer hookup right by the toilet. Reorient the toilet. You could rearrange the walls and move the tub. Include the window opposite the toilet in the bathroom.



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I don't understand how this information helps me. I knew where the hookup is. I know that given infinite resources, I can move anything I want. Are you trying to convey something that either means my challenge is less expensive than others have suggested, or that there's a specific floorplan that could be facilitated sensibly?

That there is a sensible floor plan that could be implemented without extensive long distance relocation.

But Im out.

The basement waterproofing is so expensive because it is a ridiculous amount of work to bust up the concrete all the way around the perimeter. Same reason it is going to be expensive for a plumber to move your drains for the bathroom. Just yesterday I rented a jackhammer and busted up the cement in my basement to install a new shower drain and move the toilet. This is something I will likely never do again because of how much back breaking work is involved. WOW! I will pay whoever, whatever, not to have to do that again.

The reason your bathroom is where it is most likely is because your main stack is right in the middle there and having the bathroom there kind of covers that up and is also easier to connect to when it is closer. If you're just wanting to move the bathroom over to that exterior wall to the right on your picture, it wouldn't be that hard to move, but then you have that stack in the middle to deal with which idk what you plan to do with it to make it look nice and not in the way. Either way it is going to cost you at least 5k I'd imagine just to move the drains and plumbing. Then if you do the rest of the work yourself you could add another 2k. If you're not doing it yourself, add another 5k maybe??

Legion,

Is it ok to vent a basement shower and sink together with an air admittance valve? They are allowed in my state just not sure if I can put both drains on it...