I tried to break down the airplane and ball examples to the same general principles because he seems to think if a plane were to fly on. A rotating sphere the plane should observe the spin when it takes off. So basically we could travel anywhere on our latitude by floating and waiting for the place we want to be on to move under us.

Would be fairly dope though.

Couldn't coriolis effect be explained anyway by having a disc earth also have an element of rotation about the North Pole or some other point?

Yeah, toilets is probably nonsense - it is observable with a full bath with a small plughole at a high lattitude though.

Yea, I know, I just felt it had to be thoroughly explained because he was obfuscating things again.

Then again, he has stated he does not believe in gravity (lol wut?) so he probably doesn't care about such nonsense like inertia or drag or any of that thar lunacy.

Except you'd need two discs, one (the 'northern') within the other (the 'southern'), rotating in opposite directions. That would take care of cyclones and bathwater, but ocean currents, and sea and air travel, would get very weird indeed, in ways that they observably aren't.

Which, actually, is a consistent logical conclusion of this theory - eg gravity has to be fake, therefore like a zillion laws regarding physics and motion and all that are out the window, trig must be made up, geometry as we know it is flawed, etc. etc.

Basically everything we know about the universe is fake, moon landings were fake, videos of earth from space are CGI/special effects, etc. etc. You might as well just make a direct argument that we're all living in the matrix, it's roughly analogous and since he's not even half heartedly trying to debate his stance this is a pointless (but funny) exercise in futility.

This is the kind of thing they go in for, ad infinitum, at a place called cluesforum, whose site owner is a geocentric Apollo-denying 9/11 denying CT anti-semite.

Okay now you are catching up, perhaps you can now explain how in your example the train car can move at any variety of speeds different from train. As the upper atmosphere must rotate at a tremendously faster speed than the lower atmosphere, where does that train car gain its velocity from? And how come when the ball moves from train car to train car there is no observable change to the ball and it can still move at will.

Do you even understand what you post? Nobody has sailed North to South? Yes, a bunch of people have sailed let's say from New York to the Bermuda--it happens every day. Yes you can't sail from the north pole to south pole because Antarctica and the North Pole are huge blocks of ice. If they weren't you could easily sail around the world on a line. JFC your arguments are awful. You also can't travel around the equator in a boat either at the same parallel because there are, maybe if you heard of it, things called land at almost every parallel. I guess there might be some lower parallels that you could travel around the earth with that you could go un-hindered but at the equator, you can't do it in a boat either.

I asked for examples from satellite of earth spinning. You have responded with irrelevance again. How stupid of you indeed.

We are talking about circumnavigation not going for a leisurely sail. It is possible on a North/South/Vertical/etc/holy****thisisobviousyoure******ed but never been done. I cant believe the idiotic responses I get sometimes.

Yes in a plane it can be done and probably has been done buddy boy. Not on a ****ing boat because the NORTH AND SOUTH POLES are ice, YOU CAN'T USE BOATS ON ICE. HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND? NO BOATS ON ICE. NO BOATS on Ice. and can you get banned for that please?

so you can't delete this bs.

Gravity isn't real and there is no proof for it. I'm abiding by all the other laws and even using them to show you how they disprove RE.

No, I don't believe you had any idea of what you were getting at until i laid it out, do not pretend like you knew all along what you were talking about.

The reason the atmosphere "rotates" with the earth is because of the downward force of gravity, the same force that keeps your ass in the train seat. If you don't believe gravity is a thing, then I can't continue further with you.

As for the last half of your post I have no idea what you're trying to get at and it is nonsensical.

Absolutely NOTHING we are talking about has any relevance if you don't believe gravity is a force.

How does a plane even fly then? What keeps it in the air, from plummeting back to earth? Magic? Perhaps you should describe what you mean when you say there is no proof for gravity - because what do you describe the force then that attracts objects to one another? What is the force that holds you to the ground? What about all the physics that take this force into account? Flawed? Physics makes accurate predictions all the time using gravity as a constant.

What are these physics - made up entirely?

You cant use boats on land and somehow people still managed to go around East to West. Are you seriously so stupid that you're saying you couldnt sail around Antarctica and the North Pole?

I'm quoting you homie so it is on the record!

So gravity locks everything in the atmosphere into place and has it rotate 1000mph to keep up with earths rotation... except for when we observe things like smoke, and helium, and clouds which all move freely unencumbered by gravity even though they should be affected by it.

I was curious about sailing trips around the antarctic, not to try to argue here, but did come up on a FE site arguing this point and I see that Pongo is a moderator there.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/f...0#.VS2NWtzF_nI

btw, the explanation for the too quick trip around the antarctic is that time is different near the edge.

if, at this point, it isn't painfully obvious that RF is trolling then you, like FE people, overestimate your intelligence.

not even fun anymore. oh well had a pretty decent run there but im out

Also, $23k for a 2 week sail around Antarctica. Includes Illuminati membership!

They are certainly encumbered by gravity, but also have other forces acting upon them.

Are you meaning to say that smoke rising proves gravity does not exist? You have to be ****ting me if that's what you're actually saying right now. The density of the smoke is less than that of the surrounding atmosphere, so it rises. This is yet another ridiculous misunderstanding of the most basic of scientific principles that I have to believe you're straight up trolling now.

Smoke/helium/whatever rising in the atmosphere only happens precisely because gravity is a thing. If there was no gravity this would not happen at all.

River Fenix,

How much faster do you think the atmosphere the planes are flying at spins, compared to the surface of the earth? In the RE model that is.

Smoke rises in air the same way an air bubble rises in water.

Maybe everyone is right and you are just an insane troll.

Do you think there are zero people that believe the FE model?