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05-30-2017 , 03:02 PM
That's why a 'debate' with him would be pointless.
05-31-2017 , 12:46 PM
Need to know if OP still argues on youtube comments?

If just quit recently then good chance I was working alongside him today.

Rothchilds, aliens, anti muslim, flat earth, holocaust denial and war between good and evil/god v devil. This guy had it all today.
05-31-2017 , 01:16 PM
Are there a subsection of flat earthers that also believe in aliens?

That doesn't make sense.

Though I guess neither does a flat earth.
05-31-2017 , 01:42 PM
Conspiracy theories never make sense.

05-31-2017 , 02:21 PM
I liked the Diana murder theory one.
05-31-2017 , 07:11 PM
I guess the Illuminati got to Moo
06-01-2017 , 04:29 AM
How does he feel about the moon? Really there or just a figment of everyone's imagination? Got it explained to me that the moon is only there when you look at it.
06-01-2017 , 06:49 AM
How do tides work if there is no gravity?

Has that been explained yet?
06-01-2017 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by citanul
Bigot,

There's thousands of posts in the thread, and I searched for yours that referenced gravity and read a dozen about the water ball which is of no internet to me. Similarly I'm not saying you believe in the constantly accelerating earth. Sorry I don't have a perfect memory of all the nonsense and which is yours vs moos from the thread. If you're going to engage in the thread it seems stupid and disingenuous to just go "read the thread hurrrr" when someone asks an honest question.
Why is a constantly accelerating Earth ridiculous? Is it any less ridiculous than a constantly expanding universe, in which the acceleration is accelerating, by magic? Scientists have no explanation why or how that is happening.
06-01-2017 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Why is a constantly accelerating Earth ridiculous? Is it any less ridiculous than a constantly expanding universe, in which the acceleration is accelerating, by magic? Scientists have no explanation why or how that is happening.
Like i've said before, if you want to use an accelerating earth as an explanation for the gravitational constant g, then you run into problems because g isn't the same everywhere on earth which means the earth would be torn apart if g is caused by an accelerating earth.

To answer the question about the expanding universe: this theory is less ridiculous than that of an accelerating earth because it's proven by experiment while the latter is disproven by experiment

Last edited by Mr.mmmKay; 06-01-2017 at 07:32 AM.
06-01-2017 , 07:32 AM
When I drive in a car, different parts of me are accelerated differently at times. I don't get torn apart by the tiny sub-g differentials. Why would the Earth??

Isn't it a more likely explanation that the accelerorometers measuring tiny tiny differences in g are mistaken? Or the electronics slightly affected by the iron in the mountains (after all, g is said to be lower on high mountains - coincidence)? It wouldn't be the first time small measurements are difficult to do correctly. Measuring equipment is extremely unreliable at low levels of difference, particularly the handheld stuff they'd haul up mountains and then report the g level as being slightly lower.
06-01-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
When I drive in a car, different parts of me are accelerated differently at times. I don't get torn apart by the tiny sub-g differentials. Why would the Earth??

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You understand that if 2 different objects are accelerated at different rates, even a tiny difference, that they will be billions of miles apart in time? How can 2 things (the same object) be accelerated at different speeds over long periods of time and remain intact?
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Isn't it a more likely explanation that the accelerorometers measuring tiny tiny differences in g are mistaken? Or the electronics slightly affected by the iron in the mountains (after all, g is said to be lower on high mountains - coincidence)? It wouldn't be the first time small measurements are difficult to do correctly.
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No. Things physically weigh more on different parts of the planet, exactly in line with what you would expect.
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Measuring equipment is extremely unreliable at low levels of difference
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No it isn't. Humans have become excellent at measuring things to unimaginably accurate detail.
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If earth was accelerating at the 9.8ms2, it would have reached the speed of light in less than a year. Travelling -through- space at the speed of light is impossible for anything with mass. Let alone being millions of times faster.

I have answered your points seriously with the assumption you are genuine in you questions. Time will tell I guess.
06-01-2017 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
When I drive in a car, different parts of me are accelerated differently at times. I don't get torn apart by the tiny sub-g differentials. Why would the Earth??
Are you claiming that when 2 points have a different acceleration that the distance between them won't increase?


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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Isn't it a more likely explanation that the accelerorometers measuring tiny tiny differences in g are mistaken? Or the electronics slightly affected by the iron in the mountains (after all, g is said to be lower on high mountains - coincidence)? It wouldn't be the first time small measurements are difficult to do correctly. Measuring equipment is extremely unreliable at low levels of difference, particularly the handheld stuff they'd haul up mountains and then report the g level as being slightly lower.
So when scientists measure g around the world and take into account the measurement error and conclude that there is a significant difference that that means they are lying about the measurement error and this is some sort of conspiracy?
06-01-2017 , 08:04 AM
Also the concept of an upward accelerating earth only makes sense for a flat earth, so your original claim becomes. Flat earth isn't more ridiculous than an expanding universe. Which is a pretty ridiculous statement.
06-01-2017 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Westley
If earth was accelerating at the 9.8ms2, it would have reached the speed of light in less than a year.
This is a false statement. Even if it accelerates at 9.8 ms2 for 1000 years, it will never reach the speed of light.
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Travelling -through- space at the speed of light is impossible for anything with mass.
Yes, but see above.
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I have answered your points seriously with the assumption you are genuine in you questions. Time will tell I guess.
You have answered my points incorrectly. I suggest opening a book on relativity.
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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
Are you claiming that when 2 points have a different acceleration that the distance between them won't increase?
Weirder things are proposed right now in "mainstream" science. See: dark energy, this mysterious stuff they invented to explain why the acceleration of the universe is accelerating, that no one can feel, touch, see or measure, and has never been proven to exist. Our theories of acceleration fall apart without this mystical ether-like beast that scientists invented to wave away how what they see doesn't match with established theory.

Anyway, I propose an alternate theory: anti-gravity. Mass has a weak anti-gravity which acceleration is countering. Thus when you go up a mountain (a lot of mass), the slight buoyancy that anti-gravity gives reduces the apparent measured acceleration.

Or another: dark force (in honor of "dark energy" and "dark matter" - if mainstream scientists get to make up bull**** to wave things away, well, what's for the goose is good for the gander). Dark force varies with height from the surface of the Earth, and affects measuring equipment.

Point being, there are lots of plausible reasons why this "proof" is nothing of the sort.
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So when scientists measure g around the world and take into account the measurement error and conclude that there is a significant difference that that means they are lying about the measurement error and this is some sort of conspiracy?
Humans are notoriously bad at measuring things. The history of science is one of prolonged and repeated errors. Cold fusion is a classic example. More generally, scientists tend to see and publish what they want to and what fits with their existing preconceptions.

Where is the body of data showing g force varying? Who put it out? How many people were involved? Was it replicated multiple times?

You simply assume it is valid, but science has a terrible track record at accurate measurement, and publishing bias. It's only after many decades, sometimes centuries, of research and critique that we can start to call scientific knowledge reliable.

Last edited by ToothSayer; 06-01-2017 at 08:22 AM.
06-01-2017 , 08:30 AM
The speed of light isn't asymptotic, it's the amount of energy required to continue accelerating to the speed of light.

If you could hold acceleration constant you would def reach the speed of light.
06-01-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
The speed of light isn't asymptotic, it's the amount of energy required to continue accelerating to the speed of light.

If you could hold acceleration constant you would def reach the speed of light.
Another false statement. People itt claiming to a certainty that the Earth is round don't even know basic physics. Just incredible.

1. The speed of light is indeed asymptotic in the observer frame
2. If you could hold constant acceleration for 1000 years you will still not reach the speed of light.

Guys, seriously, learn a bit of basic relativity, it will blow your mind. You might become a little less certain of the round Earth dogma if you do.
06-01-2017 , 08:43 AM
Toothsayer, what would you say the speed is of something that started from 0 and has been traveling with an acceleration of 10m/s^2 for 10,000 years?
06-01-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Another false statement. People itt claiming to a certainty that the Earth is round don't even know basic physics. Just incredible.

1. The speed of light is indeed asymptotic in the observer frame
2. If you could hold constant acceleration for 1000 years you will still not reach the speed of light.

Guys, seriously, learn a bit of basic relativity, it will blow your mind. You might become a little less certain of the round Earth dogma if you do.
Lol speed of light is relative

This thread is GOAT troll
06-01-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is a false statement. Even if it accelerates at 9.8 ms2 for 1000 years, it will never reach the speed of light.

Yes, but see above.

You have answered my points incorrectly. I suggest opening a book on relativity.

Weirder things are proposed right now in "mainstream" science. See: dark energy, this mysterious stuff they invented to explain why the acceleration of the universe is accelerating, that no one can feel, touch, see or measure, and has never been proven to exist. Our theories of acceleration fall apart without this mystical ether-like beast that scientists invented to wave away how what they see doesn't match with established theory.

Anyway, I propose an alternate theory: anti-gravity. Mass has a weak anti-gravity which acceleration is countering. Thus when you go up a mountain (a lot of mass), the slight buoyancy that anti-gravity gives reduces the apparent measured acceleration.

Or another: dark force (in honor of "dark energy" and "dark matter" - if mainstream scientists get to make up bull**** to wave things away, well, what's for the goose is good for the gander). Dark force varies with height from the surface of the Earth, and affects measuring equipment.

Point being, there are lots of plausible reasons why this "proof" is nothing of the sort.

Humans are notoriously bad at measuring things. The history of science is one of prolonged and repeated errors. Cold fusion is a classic example. More generally, scientists tend to see and publish what they want to and what fits with their existing preconceptions.

Where is the body of data showing g force varying? Who put it out? How many people were involved? Was it replicated multiple times?

You simply assume it is valid, but science has a terrible track record at accurate measurement, and publishing bias. It's only after many decades, sometimes centuries, of research and critique that we can start to call scientific knowledge reliable.

A less patronising tone would be advised when you are laughably wrong.

I guarantee one of the following are true:

a) your understanding of physics is very limited
or
b) you have a good understanding of physics but are intentionally acting dumb for troll purposes.

The speed of light is roughly 300million m/s.

Could you please explain how you can accelerate at 1m/s since the beginning of time and never reach that speed?

I have it at ~ 350 days.

If you understand physics you will know that the closer to the speed of light you get, the more energy is required to accelerate you. At the SOL the energy becomes infinite.
06-01-2017 , 09:41 AM
Toothsayer is always condescending and loves being that way. It's sort of his thing.
06-01-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
Toothsayer, what would you say the speed is of something that started from 0 and has been traveling with an acceleration of 10m/s^2 for 10,000 years?
Around 99.99999% of the speed of light.

Let's make it simpler to cut through the bull****.

If you accelerate at a rate of half the speed of light per second for 1000 years, you will never reach the speed of light.
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Originally Posted by Westley
A less patronising tone would be advised when you are laughably wrong.

I guarantee one of the following are true:

a) your understanding of physics is very limited
or
b) you have a good understanding of physics but are intentionally acting dumb for troll purposes.
I guarantee you they are both false.
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Could you please explain how you can accelerate at 1m/s since the beginning of time and never reach that speed?
You want me to explain relativity and frames of reference to you? Apart from writing pure math, I don't think *anyone* can do that - at best you can use imperfect analogies.

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If you understand physics you will know that the closer to the speed of light you get, the more energy is required to accelerate you. At the SOL the energy becomes infinite.
This statement is only true in one observer frame vs another relative entty.

From the perspective of the spaceship, it will be forever accelerating at g. The people in the craft will experience 9.8ms2 of acceleration forever, without ever reaching the speed of light.

Thus the objections brought up to a constantly accelerating earth on this basis are invalid.

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Originally Posted by capone0
Toothsayer is always condescending and loves being that way. It's sort of his thing.
They're being condescending to me, and wrong with it. This objection is a false objection:
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Originally Posted by Westley
If earth was accelerating at the 9.8ms2, it would have reached the speed of light in less than a year. Travelling -through- space at the speed of light is impossible for anything with mass. Let alone being millions of times faster.
The passengers in the spacecraft accelerating at 9.8 ms2 will experience that acceleration for eternity, and the spacecraft will never reach the speed of light. This is an absolute fact.

Last edited by ToothSayer; 06-01-2017 at 10:18 AM.
06-01-2017 , 10:27 AM
Bring back Moo
06-01-2017 , 10:33 AM
If you could hold acceleration constant, yes you could reach the speed of light.

However you CAN'T hold acceleration constant, because the amount of energy required to hold that acceleration eventually becomes infinite.
06-01-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Around 99.99999% of the speed of light.

Let's make it simpler to cut through the bull****.

If you accelerate at a rate of half the speed of light per second for 1000 years, you will never reach the speed of light.
If you accelerate at c/2 per second your speed will increase with c/2 each second, this is the definition of acceleration. So after 1 second you will travel at a speed of c/2, after 2 seconds you will travel at a speed of c and after 3 seconds you will travel at a speed of 3c/2.

If you don't agree with this you don't understand the definition of acceleration.

      
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