LCK absolutely deserves to be hated on for being a sexual predator, and should spend some time in prison or at the very least some kind of mandatory counseling. He's also one of if not the greatest stand up comedians of the last 30 years. These two realities are not related to eachother at all. Unfortunately, most people aren't honest enough with themselves to admit both. Most people need to rationalize away one or the other and paint the picture of every person as being wholly good or evil.

Everybody. No one is stopping people from finding CK's Parkland & other jokes funny. They are allowed to.

Some people are then criticizing those jokes. They are allowed to. But then people from the first group are getting triggered by that and saying or implying that people shouldn't get to criticize or complain. That is wrong and hypocritical.

Ironic, since Rafiki is the one crying the most about it itt, and has already admitted being triggered and essentially needing a safe space from other people's criticism of a comedian's jokes.

Again, this is a hypocritical statement where Rafiki is engaging in the behavior he is purportedly decrying, where he is actually trying to tell people what they should or shouldn't, can or can't say.

Did Louis commit a crime? I don't know every instance in the story. I know about the various women he asked to jerk off in front. Are there cases where he forced himself on someone or exposed himself by force? Keep in mind what he did was brutal. I'm just trying to figure out if he did anything that justifies incarceration.

"Does a black guy ever look at his dick and say: Am I your dick or are you my dick?"

lol, so glad he's back, best line of the leak,


i hope he leans straight in and calls his next special Louis CK: Exposed

It just looks to me like Louie CK got triggered by people younger than he is using their time on the planet to make life better instead of becoming standup comics.

Poor you!

This is crazy. If he asked for consent for sex then had sex no one would be saying this. From my understanding he got consent then jerked off in front of women. Weird, sure. Sexual predator, no.

it is a very small percentage who would genuinely say someone "can't criticize or complain." most people from the first group are just posting and re-criticizing the hot takes from the second group

That's not my understanding of the alleged incidents.

I think you're misinformed. I could be incorrect though. Clearly if he didn't have consent first, what he did was ****ed up.

Rafiki is the main one who is hypocritically saying or implying that people shouldn't get to criticize or complain, and he is a pretty loud voice itt. That is what most of my posts itt today were addressing.

To be clear, I'm not just talking about the formal accusations. I'm including the more informal statements made by others such as Jen Kirkman and Tig Notaro. LCK was a friend of Notaro's and exec producer of one of her Netflix specials. She has every reason to side with LCK, but emphatically doesn't. The only logical conclusion there is that she knows additional things that haven't been reported.

Not only that, but the whole concept of consent is different when it's a professional relationship. This wasn't two people that had just met on Tinder. All of these situations were two people in a professional environment, one having much more money, power, and influence in their industry than the other. That completely changes the dynamic and the motivation to give consent or not.

This thread right now:

I'm convinced that people don't actually know what it means to be offended.

Feeling offended is an immediate, uncontrollable response to an event. It isn't a calculated, thought out assessment of it. It is shaped by who we are and what we have experienced in our lives. This is why some people are offended by things and others aren't. It's similar to how some people are more repulsed by blood and gore than others.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion on whether a joke is funny and their response to be offended by something. They are entitled to share that with others. They are not entitled to condemn people whose sense of humor and tolerance for offensive humor is different from their own for not having the same response to it they did. They are not justified in telling comedians what they can and cannot say.

Stand-up comedy is performance art. It's entertainers doing what they can to get laughs out of complete strangers. They aren't there making political statements or starting movements. They exist to entertain. If that means making up a bull**** story or proposing a take that they actually don't believe in, then that's what they do. Nobody can seriously think that Louis CK believes what he says about people with nut allergies or that he'd get AIDS so he can **** a deer and give it to it.

Most of these jerkoffs on Twitter are outdoing each other to be offended so they can be more virtuous than the rest in order to impress their followers. Few of them are actually offended.

Alright let's get this back on track. Here's Jessa Reed talking about the time she blew the Red Sox:

bang on

Agreed, no one could think that Louis CK was being serious when he mimicked his desire to jerk-off in public hundreds of times.... oh wait. Dude is a freak and a very weird dude, that’s all I got to say about that

This is easily the best take so far:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ot-off-limits/

He always asked for consent. That part is not in question by any of his accusers. The thing people were most upset by was the fact that later in his career, He was asking this of women who worked on shows he was an executive producer of, so even if he wasn't technically their boss(not sure of the structure WRT tv show productions,) he was at least perceived by the women to have the power to get them fired if they refused his request.

Kyle Smith started as a movie reviewer for the NY Post. Became a politics writer for the same newspaper and now writes for The National Review. Impressive jump from movie hack to alt-right hack. Inverse stopped clock fallacy in action here.

It sounds to me like somebody who was not wielding power at all. He always asked for consent to jerk off in front of people before he got famous, and once he got rich and famous didn’t treat people any different because he didn’t view himself as having power over another human being. Some might say he’s the victim. The road to hell...

That would be some olympic level mental gymnastics.

Well he's already lost 35m over it. So he's certainly paying the biggest price of anyone so far. Victim is the wrong word, but I doubt anyone will lose as much as he will in this (on any measurable).

To say he is without blame or calling him a victim is just as ridiculous as the people who want to deny him the chance to ever work again.

If there are criminal charges brought forth, then he has to answer for them, but other than that, If you feel what he did affects whether or not you think he's funny, just don't watch him. If enough people feel that way clubs will stop booking him.

"People have no right to criticize comedians or the people laughing."

Really?


People are allowed to do more than just not watch him. They are even allowed to, gasp, criticize him. Or do you need a safe space from hearing such awful things?

Louie CK is my favourite stand up comedian and I cant wait for his next special which I shall preorder for silly money if I have to

What he did to those girls though, that was bad and I feel sorry for them