An emotional support animal for the emotional support animals could help with this

Maybe a small kitten could placate a distressed miniature horse?

You would just need a vet to fill in the form approving it

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At least if the plane crashes on some remote mountain the survivors will have something to snack on before they start on the long pig.

for the people who didn't see op stigmatizing mental illness. post 4 and 52 should clear that up.

it's subtle but it's there.

no big deal. i'd be willing to forgive him if he reveals that he is the genius behind therapy kangaroo.

The people in front of him can forget about reclining their seats too.

Interesting FAQ for business owners re Service Animals:
http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm
ESAs are covered here:
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet

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I don't think the wall reclines.


Here's the TR for Confetti's first airplane ride.

http://www.jbrranch.com/events.htm

My family trained service dogs when I was growing up and it was a really intense process. The organization we worked with has a breeding program to select for the right temperament etc. but a significant amount of dogs still "fail" out of training because they aren't well suited for the job. One of our former puppies was almost two years into training before they realized he was occasionally scared of people in hats and he had to be dropped.

I'm not necessarily opposed to emotional support animals but it seems like the certification needs more regulation. Lots of people can't be bothered with even basic training. It's only a matter of time before a dog gets spooked in public and hurts someone.

1) Depends on his supervisor's assessment but potentially yes or he could be given a sabbatical.

2) Yes, if the person he sees considers him more of a risk than a randomly selected alternative would be.

3) No, in neither of those cases should he be flying a commercial plane.

4) No, we have the right to know the pilot is completely fit to fly, which means both physically and mentally.

Some conditions disqualify people from certain jobs. Mental illness is a real thing. Alcoholism is mental illness too and I've fired people for it before - I'm not obliged to be their emotional support animal - but I believe in it and I wouldn't have fired them if I didn't think it wasn't real.

There has to be a balance of the needs of the person who wants a dog, people who don't want dogs and the operational requirements of the business. The business is best placed to decide, which is why this shouldn't take the form of people exercising rights against each other.

This is what I mean, it should be about agreement not rights.

Yeah these things can go too far. I live in an old European city centre where a lot of the bars are underground in centuries old cellars and reached by steep stairs. Pretty sure they would have to blast through the stonework to provide disabled access if they ever wanted to get licensed back in the UK.

The question I ask myself with this type of thing, is "How was this situation dealt with in past centuries?" For example, how many people in past centuries died of starvation because they were unable to go out and work their fields due to agrophobia? How many knights returning from the crusades carried chihuahuas with them to ward of PTSD? If the ideas seem ridiculous when applied to that time they are usually ridiculous when applied to our time. Of course these conditions exist, they are real, but the form they take and the way the sufferer interacts with the rest of society depends on the particular society's ideas about the condition - the expectation that they are debilitating probably helps nobody.

I like this, seems to make good sense to me.

I think the idea that our ancestors basically just dealt with these things instead of acting like the pampered little babies we are today isn't entirely honest though. If you look back at European history for example it seemed like a large part of the population wasn't able to cope with life without ingesting large volumes of gin and beer daily.

If you can't get through the day without a dog in your lap you have a problem, and its mental, but it's not a mental illness or a physical disability.

We have to distinguish between genuine mental illness, incapacity, impairment, and self-centered, lazy, self-indulgent behavior, neuroses, etc. Not making the distinction makes it harder to give proper attention to the real ailments. Overdiagnosing ADD, overprescribing anti-depressants, etc. has created a culture of victimized whiners who steal resources from those who really need them, and fill our airplanes with filthy animals.

Loads of people are walking around with chronic pain, intestinal problems, etc. and not demanding that the whole world bend over to let them put a dog under the table in the restaurant.

Whether you agree or not with stealinpotatoes view, I think he's being honest, whereas I think the whole "won't somebody think of those with allergies / fear of dogs"-schtick people have been putting on previously was horribly disingenuous, when what you really wanted to say was that people who say they need ESAs are massive pussies.

Im assuming you're lightly trolling or know nothing about allergies or mental disorders which cause anxiety around humans/animals. You really dont see the difference between walking on the street and being able to walk past someone with a dog (or choose not to walk past it) and involuntarily being put in a room/plane with one of these animals ? Not everyone likes these 4 legged ****ting machines and it should never be made their problem. The <10% that actually needs these support animals better starts lobbying for more regulation because their cause is about to get hijacked by a bunch of entitled pet owners. **** those people.

People don't want to board their pets in an airplane, so this is definitely going to be getting out of hand. That article said that it went from three-hundred emotional support pets to twelve thousand in one year.

If you search "emotional support pet" in google, the first response (ad) is

"Take your dog anywhere"

look at this bs

https://www.officialservicedogregist...ster-your-dog/


the entire website is littered with statements like this:

and comes with all kinds of badges and certificates letting people know about your dog's legal rights.

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jD8LzWO_sY

The people relying on allergies and fear of animals are fighting fire with fire, not being "horribly disingenuous."

It's hard to bull**** a bull****ter.

I agree but the point is there are different ways of dealing with and reacting to situations, which are conditioned by expectations people have of their illness, the expectations of other people and generally what society makes possible.

It also depends on the exact period; what you write is truer of the industrial revolution period than it would be of earlier subsistence farming, when there weren't the resources to keep everyone drunk most of the time.

Also interested that nobody seems to have a problem with my openly admitting ITT to firing people because they are suffering from a mental illness.

jfc its not heroin. theres no withdrawal.

my dog was attacked by a service dog when they met during a walk. it wasnt a big deal, just dogs being dogs, and they werent in full fight mode, just scrappin a little bit. but, the other dog totally started it. the lady got super mad at me, informing me it was a service dog and cost thousands of dollars to train. im just thinking, well, then you shouldnt have it encounter other random dogs.

but they'll tell him it is.

I figured you would resort to the " you don't know about mental illness" but actually I've been dealing with mental illness for the last 12 years of my life but I just didn't resort to taking an animal with me.

I think one of the reasons I'm so against it is that many people abuse the system and most of these problems can be worked through unlike blindness.

It sounds like you you really struggled with it and like I said I'm glad that you are able to go places with out your dog but I stand by my statement that if you (people in general,not just you) aren't mentally capable of going into public places with out an animal then maybe you shouldn't be there? For instance the poker tournament....if you're so ****ed up that you can't go play poker with out having a dog by your side maybe you shouldn't be playing poker?

It's nothing against you personally but I just think it's all a bunch of BS. You create more problems for yourself by using an animal as a crutch IMO and take away the animal and you're still ****ed up. Instead of actually dealing with the problems you're holding on to some ridiculous thought that an animal is your saving grace and the only way to cope. They are just thoughts after all. I personally don't want to rely on another person, animal, or drugs for my happiness/sanity.

See you're ****ing biased because you love dogs. News flash: Not everyone loves dogs or thinks they are cute.

Again you're being biased because of your experience. I don't know many, actually I don't know any people that can't function in the world with out a dog but I do know many people with anxiety, bipolar, depression, ptsd, that all function in the world with out having an animal by their side.

Should someone be able to smoke cigarettes where ever they want because it helps with their anxiety?

Can a blind person go see a doctor and not be blind any more? Can you not see how anxiety is different than an actual physical medical condition like blindness? I'm not saying anxiety doesn't exist but it's not the same thing as being blind. There is a cure/way to work through it with out an animal at your side 24/7. You're evidence that it's possible. Fix the problem and don't put a band-aid (ESA) on it so you can function in society like a normal person.


It's my emotional support avatar, keeps me calm while I'm browsing the forums. You can pet him if you'd like.