Yeah. I use a userscript to block one mod.

Absolutely yes to the first question. And "not sure, probably, it depends" to the 2nd.

It's not like a customer being trapped against the bulkhead with a powerful dog inches from his face was some unforeseeable hazard.

[QUOTE=pig4bill;52351673] Yep. I guess some people are obsessed. Way to knock out the OP who can share a unique perspective on ESAs that most people don't have. I have been extremely forthright with how it works and have legal knowledge more than 99.9% of the population. I can definitely see all sides of the equation.


Bogus is hard to say. All animals probably provide emotional support to animal lovers. Where a person REQUIRES an ESA...I don't know. We each have our own opinion.

Post 5,324,743 repeating what you said and I have responded how I handled it over and over. Done with it. I get it that you don't like how I handled it. Get over it. I ran a medical practice and you don't. Just because you are a mod doesn't mean I get to be harassed. I am not getting a web-browser add-on to block you. If you post in this thread again, I will just delete my 2+2 account.

I started this thread a couple of years ago to shed light on what I saw as a rather unique "medical product". I was rather prescient that this would continue to grow at a very high rate and it has now become incredibly normal to see dogs on a plane. The only unique story left is a strange animal like a duck, turkey or miniature horse and that is getting stale.

Because airlines limit the number of ESAs allowed, today you better make sure you call the airline 48 hours in advance to ensure there will be room for yours and it won't have to fly cargo.

There are no regulations when it comes to certifying who needs an ESA. There are no standardized tests, exercises, authorizations, approvals, or cost. It is the true Wild West. Many doctors offices will just do it for free if you are a patient. Just bring in the letter and the doctor will usually just sign it.

Yes, I can be a little glib about it because I have a sneaky suspicion that some unknown number is faking it. I don't know how you can call people on it though who say they are anxious and depressed and need an ESA to help them. I can't follow them home or to the grocery store.

I think this may have been dealt with 3 years ago and people would have been fine with it. Now you have way too many people that have become "addicted" to taking their pet everywhere and they aren't going to give that right up without a serious fight.

I thought you were the receptionist?

I am the assistant to the assistant to traveling secretary of the local minor league sports team.

I realize lawyers gonna lawyer, but is there any merit to claiming Delta didn't follow procedure? It does seem odd that they let a large dog sit in someone's lap in a middle seat, even if they are required to allow them on the plane.

There is not set-policy whatsoever. Falls under "reasonable accommodations" for everyone. Airplanes being tight, there would be no perfect way to regulate and assign seating with 20 ESAs and 100 passengers, especially without knowing which passengers would want "reasonable accommodations away from an ESA. The echo system works because everyone just sits and then the stewardess shuffles the people around who request modified accommodations.

It seems that the certification is for the person rather than the animal. This differs drastically from the paradigm for service animals. A person could conceivably take a different ESA on every flight. I sense a Facebook "How many species have you taken flying?" competition on the horizon.

Maybe airlines should simply issue companion gerbils or guinea pigs to passengers upon request and not allow passengers to BYOESA.

You are 100% correct. The person is just prescribed an emotional support animal and you get to pick the one at the moment that provides you support. It can be 365 different dogs in a year.

A service animal (99.9% of time a dog and .1% horse) has to be specifically trained to meet the handler's disability.

You obviously don't fly much if you think empty seats can be guaranteed next to ESAs.

Seems like a complete no brainer. Service animals allowed on planes w/ reasonable accommodations for passengers that can't handle being in proximity.

ESAs can suck a dick gtfo. I strongly suspect that an overwhelming majority would agree.

No doubt, Delta is always packed up.

They should make a rule though that if the ESA doesn't fit in a crate under the seat that the person should have to buy an extra seat. They already have a loosely enforced rule like this for obese people having to buy two seats.

This would cut down on a bunch of this oversized dog/horse nonsense. Yes we allow your ESA, yes it's a safety concern and it needs it's own seat.

To force owners of malls, casinos, airliners, etc to allow animals onto their private property, to the detriment of other customers, the critter better damn well be ESSENTIAL. Most of the ones I see are just pets.

I think it is much worse for landlords that all of a sudden are forced to accept animals or face a discrimination suit from the federal government housing authority that they will certainly lose.

There is no test to determine when an ESA is cool vs. required to socially function. It does help people for sure and they are much happier which ostensibly is also in everyone's best interest. Stereotypically and solely anecdotal, it seems though that there are far too many people that get an ESA that don't care about the people who don't like it. The "deal with my problems" attitude like their issues are more important than others.

By no stretch is this a universal truth and there are tons of respectful ESA owners. Too many though give ESAs and ESAs owners a bad name when they should be going out of their way to make sure others aren't bothered who eventually may lobby/vote against their use of ESAs in the future.

Here's the link to the browser add-on: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...meone-1429467/.

I'm not harassing you. I let everyone else know that your opinion about the system that pays you working fine in light of the ESA attack should not be taken seriously, especially given that you don't take proactive steps to keep dangerous animals away from the public.

In other words, it's nothing personal; it's all about your bias and therefore the value of your opinion.

And please feel free to do whatever you'd like with your 2+2 account. It's your account!

I like the standard issue non-dangerous animal solution. Gotta make sure they're hypoallergenic though.

IDK if youre just using that purely as a size guideline, but these animals cant provide the "service" theyre supposed to if theyre in a cage. I also assume they need to be able to lick their owners so muzzles are out too?

As others have brought up, there is probably a majority against allowing ESAs, but the minority is much more vocal. Pet owners are so goddamned selfish. Between this and the pitbull thread and the other one where dog owners are defending their "right" to let their animals defecate and urinate on other people's property; the inability to be objective and rational is astounding.

I haven't been keeping super close attention to this thread, so maybe this has been common knowledge all along, but golfnutt actually working with ESAs and profiting off them is super hilarious to me, but also I guess kinda expected when you think about it.

maybe that dog needed an emotional support animal or it wouldn't have attacked the man

or maybe the dog booked the seat and the guy was the dogs emotional support animal and he didn't do a good job emotionally supporting the dog

Good bye 2+2. Will take a break. I don't want to be on a message forum that allows mod/admins/whatever to harass posters and that you need Internet add-on to block. I read what you felt about me. Hundreds of times. You have an obsession of posting that time after time I post anything at all. Great. Fantastic job.

Way to ruin the flow of a thread too. How this behavior is tolerated is beyond me. You can tell a mod to back-off and nothing happens. Wonderful. Way to ensure website traffic goes down. Good luck.

This. Seems like he has some ethical issues with his job.

Rapini stop AIDSing up OOT please, and I will not debate you on that point. You are.

The dog and its owner were rebooked on a later flight, the dog was put in a kennel.

If he was able to fly with his dog in a kennel, shouldn't all esa's be forced to have some sort of muzzle?