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04-11-2015 , 11:54 AM

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donk, is that your miniature horse ESA in your avatar?

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04-11-2015 , 12:50 PM

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jfc its not heroin. theres no withdrawal.

Well, they think it is. They are so used to going everywhere with their animal that it starts to become part of their identify.

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04-11-2015 , 01:04 PM

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Grunch.

In a restaurant, gtfo. Otherwise, idgaf.

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04-11-2015 , 01:09 PM

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From a fairness pov though, trapping allergic people with dogs in any enclosed space is probably worse than denying people their support dog.

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04-11-2015 , 01:11 PM

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Restaurant with support dog and dog allergy sections. Maybe good for a scene in Portlandia.

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04-11-2015 , 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LektorAJ

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There has to be a balance of the needs of the person who wants a dog, people who don't want dogs and the operational requirements of the business. The business is best placed to decide, which is why this shouldn't take the form of people exercising rights against each other.

The "business" should decide would never work. You need the government to set the laws and parameters, just like it would (should) be illegal to refuse service to women, minorities, gays, obese people, etc.

ESAs are coming to Europe next. America is ten years ahead of the curve. We will take our super strong dollar over there with our ESAs by our side and you will cave.

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04-11-2015 , 01:18 PM

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From a fairness pov though, trapping allergic people with dogs in any enclosed space is probably worse than denying people their support dog.

The current thread status is more of a **** allergic people because support animal. Maybe the allergic fella needs a support gun to pop all the dogs around him to stop him from being allergic, WHOS LOSING NOW FELLA?!? Its a level playing field once again.

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04-11-2015 , 01:20 PM

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The people with service animals aren't refused, just the animal.

Ianal, but I think the Americans with disabilities act would be more relevant and:

" Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA. "

(From some ada training org site)

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04-11-2015 , 01:20 PM

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lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jD8LzWO_sY

Service dog person castigating an ESA person in a grocery store. Lovely.

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04-11-2015 , 01:30 PM

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Woman and her emotional support pig kicked off flight after commotion.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/travel...booted-flight/

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04-11-2015 , 01:47 PM

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College freshman suffering from separation anxiety, take heart: The federal government says universities have an obligation to admit “emotional support” animals into school housing.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-LB-44917

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04-11-2015 , 02:17 PM

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Woman and her emotional support pig kicked off flight after commotion.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/travel...booted-flight/

one of the most insane things ive ever seen/read, I mean what in the f***

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04-11-2015 , 02:28 PM

#238

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Woman and her emotional support pig kicked off flight after commotion.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/travel...booted-flight/

From that article:

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It was about 6:10 a.m. the day before Thanksgiving, and Phelps was waiting to take off from Connecticut's Bradley International Airport for Washington. He thought it could be a service animal, but service animals are usually in crates, he thought to himself.

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04-11-2015 , 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Grunch.

In a restaurant, gtfo. Otherwise, idgaf.

You might gaf if you were on this flight: http://www.kctv5.com/story/25654369/...-citys-airport

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04-11-2015 , 02:58 PM

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You might gaf if you were on this flight: http://www.kctv5.com/story/25654369/...-citys-airport

that is scandelous, so all the other passengers get delayed/shafted because of some idiots dog, I seriously hope they were compensated in some way, flight refund or something, think my head woudlve exploded if I was on that flight

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04-11-2015 , 03:02 PM

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She offered them Starbucks gift cards. Totally worth it.

Also they were going to Philly so they probably enjoyed the diversion. #UPTOP!

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04-11-2015 , 03:07 PM

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Yeah, that one would be pretty hard to accept.

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04-11-2015 , 03:10 PM

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Worst part is the innocent passengers had to go to Kansas City.

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04-11-2015 , 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by golfnutt

Well, they think it is. They are so used to going everywhere with their animal that it starts to become part of their identify.

ya, still not withdrawal. they aint spewin out of all orifices while shaking in bed for a few days.

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04-11-2015 , 04:16 PM

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ya, still not withdrawal. they aint spewin out of all orifices while shaking in bed for a few days.

It's an emotional withdrawal you Neanderthal. These are people that need help!

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04-11-2015 , 04:18 PM

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my dog was attacked by a service dog when they met during a walk. it wasnt a big deal, just dogs being dogs, and they werent in full fight mode, just scrappin a little bit. but, the other dog totally started it. the lady got super mad at me, informing me it was a service dog and cost thousands of dollars to train. im just thinking, well, then you shouldnt have it encounter other random dogs.

yikes that's definitely not supposed to happen!

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04-11-2015 , 04:22 PM

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I think you could be sued under the ADA.

Definition: Pet owned by someone who is disabled and in need of emotional support, which is supported by his/her medical provider.
Legal Classification: Emotional Support Animal – pet with rights.
Requirements to qualify: Federal laws protect your right to have a companion animal if you have a disability and need the animal for assistance or emotional support, if you live in federally assisted housing for the elderly or handicapped, or if you live in public housing.
Several laws protect the right of people with disabilities to have emotional support animals, even when the landlord has a “no pets” policy. Those laws include:
The Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
The Americans with Disabilities Act, Title II

You are conflating emotional support animals and service dogs. Public colleges have no responsibility to allow emotional support animals in public spaces on campus under the ADA (individual state laws may vary). Psychiatric service dogs do exist, but again, they are trained specifically to perform a task to mitigate symptoms of the individuals mental health issues.

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04-11-2015 , 04:43 PM

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In United States v. University of Nebraska Kearney, wherein a student requested accommodation for the use of an emotional support animal, District Court Judge John M. Gerrard ruled that the university housing in question is considered a “dwelling” and is subject to the provisions of the FHA. Allegations were based not only on refusal to make reasonable accommodation but also on the nature and degree of inquiry into the student’s disability and need of the emotional support animal.

https://www.naspa.org/rpi/posts/reas...al-support-ani

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04-11-2015 , 04:44 PM

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There are three categories

1. Service dogs
2. ESA
3. Pretend ESA

My only concern is #3. If someone goes to therapy every week and is legit crazy like Gobbo I don't mind them having a small dog. Whatever.

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04-11-2015 , 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by golfnutt

Yes, student housing is obviously covered under the FHA (my college didn't offer on campus housing). However, emotional support animals are not covered under the ADA and therefore are not guaranteed access to places of public accommodations (classrooms, cafeterias, etc.) There is no way a college can be sued for not allowing an emotional support animal in lecture halls unless state law requires the college to allow it.

Again, just to be clear, emotional support animals are NOT covered under the ADA.

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