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Summarizing Waters: Van Houten feels genuine remorse, has changed her life, and is no longer dropping acid every day, and thus deserves parole. I tend to agree. I’d likely grant her parole.

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11-21-2017 , 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfootz

The more I learn about this Manson fella, the less I like him.

Manson was set up. He was a patsy. The real cult leader remains at large.

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11-21-2017 , 05:17 PM

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Hard not to feel super powerful when you have a gang that will do anything for you. Sex or kill or burn themselves. You say the word and it happens.

Based on their looks i imagine Manson was having them commit crimes hoping they would get caught and taken away forever. These women have zero sex appeal.

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11-21-2017 , 05:30 PM

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That picture does not do Leslie Van Houten justice. She was very attractive.

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11-21-2017 , 05:43 PM

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Summarizing Waters: Van Houten feels genuine remorse, has changed her life, and is no longer dropping acid every day, and thus deserves parole. I tend to agree. I’d likely grant her parole.

They should have gotten the death penalty. Amazing that Charlie Manson was sentenced to death and lucked box into a couple of court rules that went so far to grant him parole hearings.

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11-21-2017 , 05:51 PM

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Who are you to decide about life and death?

Actually the only situation where I would say that it is OK to take someone's life, is in self-defense to directly protect another life.

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11-21-2017 , 05:57 PM

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Who are you to decide about life and death?

Actually the only situation where I would say that it is OK to take someone's life, is in self-defense to directly protect another life.

I am not personally saying he should have been given the death penalty. The "law" which ostensibly is the people's choice, decided it. And then a couple of court cases threw out the death penalty completely in California. Which covered him.

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11-21-2017 , 06:37 PM

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I have been on a jury that gave a death penalty and I feel not one particle of remorse for it. Except it's been 19 years and he's still alive.

ETA the death penalty has been covered extensively here over the years

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11-21-2017 , 06:46 PM

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Let’s please not start a politard death penalty debate. Van Houten was 19 years old and had been taking acid every day. Yes, she was guilty AF and deserved a long sentence at a minimum. But her remorse seems to be genuine, unlike Manson — who was unrepentant until the end.

One of the really interesting facts: Patricia krenwinkle met Manson for the first time at a party and moved into his cult the next day. WTF, who has that much charisma?

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11-21-2017 , 06:50 PM

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ya he's been a proponent for her release

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-..._b_246953.html

Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware of that.

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11-21-2017 , 06:51 PM

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Manson was set up. He was a patsy. The real cult leader remains at large.

Jasus he must be getting on a bit...

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11-21-2017 , 06:58 PM

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Summarizing Waters: Van Houten feels genuine remorse, has changed her life, and is no longer dropping acid every day, and thus deserves parole. I tend to agree. I’d likely grant her parole.

Personally I think the nature of some crimes forfeits a chance for parole & these murders were about as brutal & vicious and utterly callous as you can get.

That said the parole board apparently feel differently. Like they did for Lawrence Bittaker, Henry Lee Lucas & Ed Kemper...

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11-21-2017 , 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked

I have been on a jury that gave a death penalty

Whoa. Not sure how much you can/want to get into that, but it would be a pretty interesting thread.

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11-21-2017 , 07:15 PM

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Summarizing Waters: Van Houten feels genuine remorse, has changed her life, and is no longer dropping acid every day, and thus deserves parole. I tend to agree. I’d likely grant her parole.

What I don't understand is the inclination that Walters has to advocate for a murderer. Like Lord Longford with Moors Murderer Myra Hindley in the UK, my reaction is 'you really couldn't find a worthier cause?'

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11-21-2017 , 07:24 PM

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Plus all the people that are actually innocent and are in prison. I'd be much more interested in getting them out.

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11-21-2017 , 07:43 PM

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I understand your view. It has some force. I wholly agree as applied to Manson himself. I do think there is something to the idea that Van Houten was under Manson’s spell and on acid. That doesn’t support innocence, not one bit. But it does suggest her remorse may be genuine. As I understand it, van Houten earned two degrees and has been a model prisoner for forty years.

I think the governor overruled the parole board, who voted to let her out a couple of years ago.

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11-21-2017 , 07:54 PM

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Whoa. Not sure how much you can/want to get into that, but it would be a pretty interesting thread.

Nah, but here's a link to the writeup of his appeal, gives the whole story including gambling degen content.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-suprem...t/1197662.html

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11-21-2017 , 07:55 PM

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Or a lumberjack.

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11-21-2017 , 08:35 PM

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My response was to the OP that started the thread by saying "RIP Charles Manson" as if he's some dude that deserves our support.

he's dead now dude

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11-21-2017 , 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

I think the governor overruled the parole board, who voted to let her out a couple of years ago.

You can't get any more tarred as 'soft on crime' than letting a Manson member be paroled.

The upside is thank you from the parolee.

The downside is vitriol from thousands of voters.

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2) Don't participate in murder's that become internationally known.
3) See Rule #1

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11-21-2017 , 09:35 PM

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I have to concede that's a pretty good post from the 'nutt.

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11-21-2017 , 10:44 PM

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When nutt slows down and thinks, he’s fine.

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11-22-2017 , 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Let’s please not start a politard death penalty debate. Van Houten was 19 years old and had been taking acid every day. Yes, she was guilty AF and deserved a long sentence at a minimum. But her remorse seems to be genuine, unlike Manson — who was unrepentant until the end.

One of the really interesting facts: Patricia krenwinkle met Manson for the first time at a party and moved into his cult the next day. WTF, who has that much charisma?

its ****ing mind boggling how he warped those ****ing complete useless pieces of ****s. as i said, he was a master manipulator. if he used his works for good im sure he would ve been a lead in the psychological field

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11-22-2017 , 06:46 AM

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Weren't they all street rats of Height Ashbury? It's not hard to manipulate someone when they are young, homeless and desperate with no support from family and probably have no education worth a damn. Basically the same deal as most street walking whores and their pimps.

It's literally going after the weakest of the weak.

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11-22-2017 , 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked

Nah, but here's a link to the writeup of his appeal, gives the whole story including gambling degen content.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-suprem...t/1197662.html

Wow, what a waste of life. No wonder you have no qualms about the verdict. Those kids.....amazing. Thanks for sharing.

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