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04-09-2015 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Therapy Kangaroo
I'm not allowed inside McDonalds
The Feb 2015 reg date makes that! Just waiting for the right time.
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04-09-2015 , 10:08 PM
Very happy to say the college I used to work at didn't allow emotional support dogs. Several staff and faculty were allergic to dogs, one of which would have a guaranteed asthma attack if she even walked into a room where a dog had been (she was covered by the ADA). We weren't actually allowed to ask if the dog was a service dog, but we could ask what physical service the dog was trained to perform. When we got the blank stare we were allowed to ask that person to leave immediately, and call security if they bitched at all.
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04-09-2015 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
The Feb 2015 reg date makes that! Just waiting for the right time.
didn't even notice that. unreal!!!!
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04-09-2015 , 10:16 PM
Gobbo, I think one of the things that bothers me is that there are people with various fears/anxiety/allergies around animals.

So when somebody uses one of these animals to help ease their anxiety they're often inflicting anxiety on others.

None of this is an excuse for jack asses to be abusive or whatever. But it seems like its gotten to the point where many people are abusing the system.
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04-09-2015 , 10:16 PM
If I had the money I'd pay for everyone to have a miniature horse service animal.
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04-09-2015 , 10:24 PM
Gobbo, maybe I'm being hugely unsympathetic here, but if you were expressly forbidden from carrying an animal around, I have to think you would be able to find SOME other way to deal with your anxiety and depression.

Or, if not, you just couldn't go certain places. Too bad so sad.

Comparing a comfort dog to an oxygen tank... LOL. At some point you gotta draw a line. If my posse of 12 friends ease my anxiety, do they get to sit at the table with me whenever I go out to eat, bring their own food and drink, and inconvenience everyone else?

That said, I can understand a small, well-behaved dog in a vest. MAYBE. If it's REALLY the only way to deal with your problem. A big dog roaming around on a leash... which is what you see a bunch these days... because some doctor wrote a prescription or just because the owner feels like it... WTF?
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04-09-2015 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
REAL TALK GOBBO TIME.


Can you imagine being in a wheelchair and bringing an oxygen tank into a restaurant and having the manager come over and tell you that they don't allow oxygen tanks? Then you advise them as to the law and either 1) they make you feel like they're doing you a favor by letting it slide just this once or 2) they don't care and kick you out.
LOL..comparing an ESA to oxygen? Really? If someone is on oxygen they probably don't have any other options or fixes to their problem. Just like a blind person can't go out and get help to not be blind. A person with emotional problems has many options to go and get help with these problems and work through them.

What about people that are allergic to dogs? Does their health not matter because someone isn't emotionally stable to go out side with out their pet dog?

Service animals and ESA are not the same thing.

I'm glad you got help with your problems but I think you're probably a bit biased. I feel most people use these animals as a crutch just like someone uses drugs. They are not an absolute need like oxygen tanks. Pigs, horses, chickens, monkeys, rats, rabbits,etc? Give me a ****ing break. It's attention seeking behavior and yes it might technically work for the moment but it's a crutch/temporary fix. Take away the animal and the person is still ****ed up. Man the **** up and deal with your issues and go on about your life, leave your animal on the farm.

A reported emotional support rooster in a pink tutu. GTFO!!!!


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Originally Posted by BustoPro

That said, I can understand a small, well-behaved dog in a vest. MAYBE. If it's REALLY the only way to deal with your problem. A big dog roaming around on a leash... which is what you see a bunch these days... because some doctor wrote a prescription or just because the owner feels like it... WTF?
You can buy these stupid vests online. No "prescription" required. Just google emotional support animal and see the countless services selling kits.
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04-09-2015 , 10:59 PM
I can't get over the miniature horse on a plane. Can you imagine getting on a flight and seeing that? Probably makes the whole cabin smell like a barn, and you have to listen to it whinny the whole flight. Most likely it would be terrified because it doesn't know what the hell turbulence is. Worried horse diarrhea right and left. And where do you put it? Does it just roam up and down the aisle? I want a flight voucher if I have to put up with that.
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04-09-2015 , 11:33 PM
grunching from OP,

So irritated by this. I started following this guy because he seemed like a decent dude poker bro and probably is. Not long after I run in to this ugggh


https://twitter.com/ChancesCards/sta...97869068075008

https://twitter.com/ChancesCards/sta...00319095209984

Seriously, eat a dick dude or realize you are a tool when you run this game.
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04-09-2015 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BustoPro
Gobbo, maybe I'm being hugely unsympathetic here, but if you were expressly forbidden from carrying an animal around, I have to think you would be able to find SOME other way to deal with your anxiety and depression.

Or, if not, you just couldn't go certain places. Too bad so sad.

Comparing a comfort dog to an oxygen tank... LOL. At some point you gotta draw a line. If my posse of 12 friends ease my anxiety, do they get to sit at the table with me whenever I go out to eat, bring their own food and drink, and inconvenience everyone else?

That said, I can understand a small, well-behaved dog in a vest. MAYBE. If it's REALLY the only way to deal with your problem. A big dog roaming around on a leash... which is what you see a bunch these days... because some doctor wrote a prescription or just because the owner feels like it... WTF?
1) When did I say I was expressly forbidden from doing it? I don't get your point. When I had Oscar with me, psychiatric service dogs were still a thing. It was after I stopped that the legislation went through.

2) The oxygen tank analogy has to do with people who have no other choice, not emotional support dogs. The point is that random people assume all dogs giving a service are BS now and that's just not the case. There are tons of people who have serious ailments that the dogs help with. There are dogs that detect seizures in people, diabetic alert dogs and a whole lot of other purposes they serve. Those dogs are vital to the person's well being.

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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
LOL..comparing an ESA to oxygen? Really? If someone is on oxygen they probably don't have any other options or fixes to their problem. Just like a blind person can't go out and get help to not be blind. A person with emotional problems has many options to go and get help with these problems and work through them.

What about people that are allergic to dogs? Does their health not matter because someone isn't emotionally stable to go out side with out their pet dog?

Service animals and ESA are not the same thing.

I'm glad you got help with your problems but I think you're probably a bit biased. I feel most people use these animals as a crutch just like someone uses drugs. They are not an absolute need like oxygen tanks. Pigs, horses, chickens, monkeys, rats, rabbits,etc? Give me a ****ing break. It's attention seeking behavior and yes it might technically work for the moment but it's a crutch/temporary fix. Take away the animal and the person is still ****ed up. Man the **** up and deal with your issues and go on about your life, leave your animal on the farm.

A reported emotional support rooster in a pink tutu. GTFO!!!!




You can buy these stupid vests online. No "prescription" required. Just google emotional support animal and see the countless services selling kits.
See above regarding the oxygen tank analogy.

And just a tip, the vests don't mean ****. Anyone can buy a vest online. A service dog doesn't need to have a vest on to be a service dog.
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04-10-2015 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HankTheBank
I would welcome a mini horse on any flight, they are adorable creatures with an energy more uplifting than cocaine.
It might not be so adorable when it deposits a pile of horse**** by your seat.
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04-10-2015 , 12:10 AM
What are the crew's responsibility when it come to miniature horse ****?
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04-10-2015 , 12:10 AM
No public establishment can require any kind of identification or certification for a service dog, including those stupid vests.
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04-10-2015 , 12:17 AM
Some states have special laws I think, California might be one of them.
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04-10-2015 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
What are the crew's responsibility when it come to miniature horse ****?
The crew has no responsibility to clean up after your "emotional support" animal.

Plane forced to divert after dog poops
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04-10-2015 , 12:25 AM
If I had the money I'd have a stable of miniature horses at every airport and lend them to anyone who asked.
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04-10-2015 , 12:31 AM
I don't feel comfortable with anything less than a Clydesdale.
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04-10-2015 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
If I had the money I'd pay for everyone to have a miniature horse service animal.
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
If I had the money I'd have a stable of miniature horses at every airport and lend them to anyone who asked.
Yes, you seem very committed to this idea.




While we're talking about "if I had the money" fantasies...

I always thought it was interesting that Branson named his airline "Virgin." If I had the money, I'd like to start an airline called "Crack Whore Airlines" and offer $50 tickets everywhere we fly. People would line up to fly Crack Whore.
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04-10-2015 , 12:35 AM
I have finally had my doubts over the last few weeks.

1) One physically healthy 27-year old male attested that he needed it. He didn't have the money that day. I said come back with money and paperwork will be ready. He comes by with money but not with his dog. I am thinking, what the hell, you told me you cannot go anywhere without "George". How did you park you car, get in an elevator, and make it my office without your animal that you need to function for day to day activities. What you just did is exactly a day to day activity.

2) A healthy female patient came in with a dog prescribed by another physician office. I said do you take "Roxy" golfing (I know her). She said no. Once again, how does she function 5 consecutive hours without her dog?

3) I run into a patient at a nice restaurant. Dog is underneath the table doing nothing. Thinking, yet again, why the hell do you need to bring your dog to a nice restaurant and he isn't even doing anything but sitting under the table. Could you not eat dinner and talk without your dog?

4) Went on plane this weekend and saw at least two small dogs.

5) These people with dogs get priority service because we take the patient and the dog immediately out of the waiting room because it, rightfully so, freaks people out. They have no wait.

Those vests are a total fraud.

The only thing I counter this is:

1) They will get the script from some other doctor. We will lose a customer.
2) They are attesting on a legal document that they are psychiatrically insane without the animal. Not everyone wants that on their medical records. It never goes away.
3) Script is valid only for one year. It is not a lifetime pass. You better come in and attest again annually that you cannot function. We will charge you again.
4) They have to be a patient a minimum of 2 years and we have tried some other treatment. You cannot just walk in and ask for a note. I am sure there are many offices that do that. We do not.

Our doctors are not huge fans of it. We know a lot are probably gaming the system but we can't follow them to the grocery store with their animal and without their animal and see how they function.
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04-10-2015 , 12:40 AM
**** this ****. therapykangaroo needs more love. how did he do it? he's a ****ing genius! what... i'm supposed to believe that he makes 25 gimmicks just in case?
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04-10-2015 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Very happy to say the college I used to work at didn't allow emotional support dogs. Several staff and faculty were allergic to dogs, one of which would have a guaranteed asthma attack if she even walked into a room where a dog had been (she was covered by the ADA). We weren't actually allowed to ask if the dog was a service dog, but we could ask what physical service the dog was trained to perform. When we got the blank stare we were allowed to ask that person to leave immediately, and call security if they bitched at all.
I think you could be sued under the ADA.

Definition: Pet owned by someone who is disabled and in need of emotional support, which is supported by his/her medical provider.
Legal Classification: Emotional Support Animal – pet with rights.
Requirements to qualify: Federal laws protect your right to have a companion animal if you have a disability and need the animal for assistance or emotional support, if you live in federally assisted housing for the elderly or handicapped, or if you live in public housing.
Several laws protect the right of people with disabilities to have emotional support animals, even when the landlord has a “no pets” policy. Those laws include:
The Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
The Americans with Disabilities Act, Title II
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04-10-2015 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
I can't get over the miniature horse on a plane. Can you imagine getting on a flight and seeing that? Probably makes the whole cabin smell like a barn, and you have to listen to it whinny the whole flight. Most likely it would be terrified because it doesn't know what the hell turbulence is. Worried horse diarrhea right and left. And where do you put it? Does it just roam up and down the aisle? I want a flight voucher if I have to put up with that.
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they are adorable creatures with an energy more uplifting than cocaine.[im.g]http://fi.nan.ce..ho..tela.com/4ce15.jpg[/img]
oepuxuntom is one of those sneaky SEO spambots that copies and pastes fragments of posts and slips in an invisible image. The timing, for once, is impeccable.
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04-10-2015 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
No public establishment can require any kind of identification or certification for a service dog, including those stupid vests.
It is, potentially, against the law to ask to see their prescription. Viewed as discrimination. Do you go up to people with handicap placards and ask them what disability they have? Some look healthy to me.

It sucks because it does infringe an others. Why should an animal get priority over a person who hates/allergic to animals?

There is no training involved at all.

You cannot delineate type of animal. You can't put on script that they need a dog only. It opens it up to miniature horses and pot-bellied pigs.

I am waiting, but haven't seen it yet, someone saying they need a script for multiple support animals.

The animal rights groups have taken this issue over pretty good. We don't want to be accused of discrimination. Animal law...
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04-10-2015 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
I have finally had my doubts over the last few weeks.

1) One physically healthy 27-year old male attested that he needed it. He didn't have the money that day. I said come back with money and paperwork will be ready. He comes by with money but not with his dog. I am thinking, what the hell, you told me you cannot go anywhere without "George". How did you park you car, get in an elevator, and make it my office without your animal that you need to function for day to day activities. What you just did is exactly a day to day activity.

2) A healthy female patient came in with a dog prescribed by another physician office. I said do you take "Roxy" golfing (I know her). She said no. Once again, how does she function 5 consecutive hours without her dog?

3) I run into a patient at a nice restaurant. Dog is underneath the table doing nothing. Thinking, yet again, why the hell do you need to bring your dog to a nice restaurant and he isn't even doing anything but sitting under the table. Could you not eat dinner and talk without your dog?

4) Went on plane this weekend and saw at least two small dogs.

5) These people with dogs get priority service because we take the patient and the dog immediately out of the waiting room because it, rightfully so, freaks people out. They have no wait.

Those vests are a total fraud.

The only thing I counter this is:

1) They will get the script from some other doctor. We will lose a customer.
2) They are attesting on a legal document that they are psychiatrically insane without the animal. Not everyone wants that on their medical records. It never goes away.
3) Script is valid only for one year. It is not a lifetime pass. You better come in and attest again annually that you cannot function. We will charge you again.
4) They have to be a patient a minimum of 2 years and we have tried some other treatment. You cannot just walk in and ask for a note. I am sure there are many offices that do that. We do not.

Our doctors are not huge fans of it. We know a lot are probably gaming the system but we can't follow them to the grocery store with their animal and without their animal and see how they function.
So I take it you did give them the "doctor's note" in spite of knowing they were gaming the system. Is this right? Because if you didn't give it to them, someone else would, right? (and you'd lose business). If so, thanks for helping perpetuate the fraud.

And are they really attesting to the fact that they are "legally insane" without the service animal?
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04-10-2015 , 01:08 AM
I only read the first dozen posts but OP, you're talking out your ass.

Having a psychiatric disorder or illness "on record" literally means bull**** for almost any job anywhere that I am aware of. I ticked every box on my medical form for depression, anxiety, bipolar, stress-related issues, etc. etc. and I was not only able to get a Transportation Worker Identity Card (says I'm not a terrorist or a safety issue) I was able to get a master's license to pilot any vessel up to 100 tons in near coastal waters off the United States and/or inland waters.

Having them "on record" literally means **** because the only person that can view those records are doctors and only with your permission. HIPAA is a thing, derp. And for good reason, obviously, because of people like you and some others itt.

Yea, some people will game the system. I don't personally see the need for a service animal to deal with my anxiety but gobbo's is a great post and shame on some of you people for further stigmatizing mental disorders.
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