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3rdCheckRaise 03-08-2010 04:33 PM

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Chilling things dulls the flavor and makes them all taste the same
I stopped reading there...A+ for effort anyway.

dukemagic 03-08-2010 04:44 PM

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i'm no vodka expert but i'm pretty sure wookie is right. they might not taste all the same, but chilling does dull the flavor and makes them more similar and easier to drink. it's the same with beer. americans prefer to have their beer well chilled, but that just dulls the flavor (this is where europeans LOL at americans for drinking such crappy beer that they need to chill it). to bring out the full flavor of beer it should be served a bit warmer than "chilled". the exact temperature range depends on the type of beer. that's why if you go to a brewery, they'll serve you the beer cool, not chilled.

3rdCheckRaise 03-08-2010 04:55 PM

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i'm no vodka expert but i'm pretty sure wookie is right. they might not taste all the same, but chilling does dull the flavor and makes
Unlike every other liqueur vodka isn't an alcohol that is meant to be consumed at room temperature. Best vodkas taste their best when consumed properly. It's like saying that Honda is a better car then Ferrari cause at 30mph it is a much smoother ride.

Ahigh 03-08-2010 05:16 PM

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LOL at vodka at room temperature. Nearly every vodka maker states that their product is "best served chilled" but why trust them. That’s pretty much the reason why all "double blind tastings" always coming up with some $14 a bottle vodka but most vodka drinkers keep buying $30 bottles that they enjoy.

Rick Nebiolo 03-08-2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahigh (Post 17342997)
LOL at vodka at room temperature. Nearly every vodka maker states that their product is "best served chilled" but why trust them. That’s pretty much the reason why all "double blind tastings" always coming up with some $14 a bottle vodka but most vodka drinkers keep buying $30 bottles that they enjoy.

I'm confused a bit. If vodka is best served chilled (I've always drank it chilled) then test blind chilled. If cheaper vodkas do well than it's all profit.

One common perception on real cheap vodkas is that you get a worse hangover (perhaps because it's so often mixed with sugary stuff into punch) and sugar may be the real culprit. Hangover intensity is pretty hard to filter out of a test.

amoeba 03-08-2010 05:33 PM

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I don't like the idea that more expensive versions of a drink is intended to taste more like water. I think the idea of buying premium vodka is pretty ridiculous as there is really nothing to justify the price.

Ahigh 03-08-2010 05:40 PM

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If vodka is best served chilled (I've always drank it chilled) then test blind chilled.
Thats my point too. However all "blind tests" are done with room temp product and that just doesn't make any sense.

3rdCheckRaise 03-08-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Nebiolo (Post 17343408)
Hangover intensity is pretty hard to filter out of a test.

Almost impossible to measure hungover without proper quantity analysis approach to the testing but experienced vodka drinker always knows which vodka works better for him personally.

MrWookie 03-08-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise (Post 17343961)
Almost impossible to measure hungover without proper quantity analysis approach to the testing because experienced vodka drinker is subject to selective memory and label whoring.

FYP.

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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise (Post 17341778)
I stopped reading there...A+ for effort anyway.

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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise (Post 17342416)
Unlike every other liqueur vodka isn't an alcohol that is meant to be consumed at room temperature. Best vodkas taste their best when consumed properly. It's like saying that Honda is a better car then Ferrari cause at 30mph it is a much smoother ride.

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Originally Posted by Ahigh (Post 17342997)
LOL at vodka at room temperature. Nearly every vodka maker states that their product is "best served chilled" but why trust them. That’s pretty much the reason why all "double blind tastings" always coming up with some $14 a bottle vodka but most vodka drinkers keep buying $30 bottles that they enjoy.

If you can prove to me that there is a vodka that fares poorly relative to other vodkas when all are at room temp in a similar double-blind taste test but comes out out top when all are chilled, again double-blind, I'll buy you a bottle of it.

3rdCheckRaise 03-08-2010 09:40 PM

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If you can prove to me that there is a vodka that fares poorly relative to other vodkas when all are at room temp in a similar double-blind taste test but comes out out top when all are chilled, again double-blind, I'll buy you a bottle of it.
I need to prove you that product that should be consumed chilled should also be tested chilled??? Really??? Doesn't label on that bottle proves it already? If you'd try to "double blind test" different brands of hot chocolate would you do it at room temperature or warm? How about ICE cream? Also room temp?

MrWookie 03-08-2010 10:42 PM

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Vodka is best enjoyed chilled because it tastes like **** when it's not chilled. When it's chilled, it stops tasting like **** because most ****ty alcoholic beverages things taste less ****ty when chilled. We taste test them at room temp to taste and see which taste the least ****ty. That is best discerned when warm, accentuating the differences rather than muting them. If you're going to try and argue that the vodka that tastes the least ****ty when room temp is NOT going to be the least ****ty vodka when chilled, the burden is on you.

3rdCheckRaise 03-08-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie (Post 17350281)
Vodka is best enjoyed chilled because it tastes like **** when it's not chilled. When it's chilled, it stops tasting like **** because most ****ty alcoholic beverages things taste less ****ty when chilled. We taste test them at room temp to taste and see which taste the least ****ty. That is best discerned when warm, accentuating the differences rather than muting them. If you're going to try and argue that the vodka that tastes the least ****ty when room temp is NOT going to be the least ****ty vodka when chilled, the burden is on you.

I don't have any burden since it's basically your claim that "all vodka taste like ****" vs vodka makers claim that "our product better served chilled" (and they know a bit more then you do, right?) but I'll bite.
If you doing some kind of testing, any kind of testing on the product you implying that you know something about that product. Apparently you dont. Fine, you don't know sh** about this product but maybe you like that product and thats why you doing it...but no...you are clearly stating that to YOU this product taste like sh*t. Is it safe to assume that your whole group doesn't know anything about this product and doesn't like the taste as well. Yeah i think we can assume that? If there is even a group to begin with...but whatever...So this whole thread is just attention whoring, right? I think the burden is on you now, b***ch.

TIEdup14 03-09-2010 01:24 AM

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Wookie's shift from abject sarcasm to "pissed off brute mode" has been entertaining. Keep it coming you two!

:popcorn:

TIEdup14 03-09-2010 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise (Post 17348896)
I need to prove you that product that should be consumed chilled should also be tested chilled??? Really??? Doesn't label on that bottle proves it already? If you'd try to "double blind test" different brands of hot chocolate would you do it at room temperature or warm? How about ICE cream? Also room temp?

also, this is hilarious, regardless of intent/position

Imaginary F(r)iend 03-09-2010 03:59 AM

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The flavor won't suddenly implode into new levels when you chill the stuff... vodka doesn't go trough any major molecular change when chilled. So basically stop making ******ed comparisons 3checkraise.

It's same as testing which bird can fly fastest. UNDERWATER!.... sigh.

J_V 03-09-2010 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Harris (Post 9635554)
Yeah, I think Stoli and Absolut are also a little trumped up. Would have been good - but i suppose it's all about not getting so bladdered you lose the tiny thread of objectivity.

I order stoli and soda and tanqueray and tonic strictly for the alliteration.

DannyOcean_ 03-09-2010 05:31 AM

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3CR, you're pretty much dead wrong here.

It's been shown over and over by professionals that almost nobody can tell the difference between anything chilled. Nearly all sodas taste nearly identical served icy cold. this is not an absurd claim, it's based on the very simple science of your taste buds going numb, which they absolutely do during a cold drink. Vodkas all taste nearly identical served chilled. In order to actually taste any difference, you have to serve them warm and taste the vodka.

3rdCheckRaise 03-09-2010 10:35 AM

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This is how you do vodka tasting
Same source did blind tasting and came up with following results (note that vodka was chilled).
http://www.russianlife.com/vodka/ranking.cfm
more vodka tasting
and more vodka tasting

garcia1000 03-09-2010 11:16 AM

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This post has exciting implications

dukemagic 03-09-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise (Post 17358283)
This is how you do vodka tasting
Same source did blind tasting and came up with following results (note that vodka was chilled).
http://www.russianlife.com/vodka/ranking.cfm
more vodka tasting
and more vodka tasting

from the first link:
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If vodka is too cold, it will freeze your taste buds and you will not get an adequate tasting. If it is too warm, the flavor mix becomes too complex and the dominant flavor less discernible.
so right there it's saying it can't be too cold. yes, it's also saying it can't be too warm. so clearly there is an optimal range but it's warmer than ice cold.

also, i'm not sure we can really trust this site:

(a) it's not a blind test. that's not very scientific.

(b) one if its judging criteria is:
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Appearance. Packaging and presentation are also important criteria. Does the bottle have a cork or a twist-off cap? How well does the cap seal the bottle? Does the packaging match up with the impression the company is trying to convey of the brand? Does it give a "premium" feel? Is it stylish and attractive? Is it glass (don't even get us started on plastic bottles!)? Don't think this is all that important? Think again. The average consumer going into a liquor store or staring across a bar at a vodka bottle can only judge a vodka by its bottle! Packaging can contribute to or subtract from the overall experience mightily.
i didn't know that the label changed the flavor. why should packaging have any effect on how well rated the vodka is?

(c) the "how to taste vodka" article you linked is an article on the site, it appears. that same taste test that they keep referring to is your 2nd link. it's from "Russian Life" magazine and guess what... (from your 2nd link)
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* Each participant in our Taste-Offs is given a set of randomly selected vodkas to taste and compare. Each vodka sample is about 0.5 ounces and is served at room temperature in a small, plastic shot glass. The glass is marked only by a Russian letter. The taste is fully blind, and only the organizers know which of the 16 vodkas competing corresponds to which vodka.
from the third link:
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So, your basic bottle of Smirnoff is fine for mixed drinks, but you wouldn't want to drink shots of it.
uhhhh just about every blind taste test i've heard of actually has smirnoff ranked very highly. so for them to assert this before they even do the test has me wondering about the validity of the site. i mean, they didn't even test smirnoff to back up their claim.

3rdCheckRaise 03-09-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dukemagic (Post 17359378)
from the first link:

from the third link:

uhhhh just about every blind taste test i've heard of actually has smirnoff ranked very highly. so for them to assert this before they even do the test has me wondering about the validity of the site. i mean, they didn't even test smirnoff to back up their claim.

I posted all those links only to reinforce the point that tasting has to be done chilled (not too cold and NOT room temperature).

MrWookie 03-09-2010 12:31 PM

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I guess you didn't bother to read either his post or the site you cited then, you know, the part where one of those authorities taste tests using room temp vodka.

3rdCheckRaise 03-09-2010 12:39 PM

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uhhhh just about every blind taste test i've heard of actually has smirnoff ranked very highly. so for them to assert this before they even do the test has me wondering about the validity of the site. i mean, they didn't even test smirnoff to back up their claim.
I personally think that Smirnoff is one of the best tasting vodkas on the market but different regions of the world value different qualities in their vodka. For example you can't force Nemiroff down my throat but it is highest rated vodka in Ukraine and south Russia (despite high price). Russian Standard is not well known in US but highest rated in Eastern Europe (also not cheap btw).

3rdCheckRaise 03-09-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie (Post 17360075)
I guess you didn't bother to read either his post or the site you cited then, you know, the part where one of those authorities taste tests using room temp vodka.

link please???
From my first link

Get yourself a nice 2-3 oz., clear glass. Pop in in the freezer for an hour. Then pour in a healthy shot of your frozen vodka. Let the vodka warm up just very slightly, holding the glass in your hand. This will take just a bit of the freeze off it. If vodka is too cold, it will freeze your taste buds and you will not get an adequate tasting. If it is too warm, the flavor mix becomes too complex and the dominant flavor less discernible.

dukemagic 03-09-2010 12:41 PM

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lol, you provided it. it was your second link. at the bottom:

http://www.russianlife.com/vodka/ranking.cfm
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* Each participant in our Taste-Offs is given a set of randomly selected vodkas to taste and compare. Each vodka sample is about 0.5 ounces and is served at room temperature in a small, plastic shot glass. The glass is marked only by a Russian letter. The taste is fully blind, and only the organizers know which of the 16 vodkas competing corresponds to which vodka.


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