Comedians coming up with the same jokes at the same time.

Michael Che:

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mic...am-1235031377/

I'm sympathetic to the view that Simone Biles probably should have just not be on the team if she felt unfit to participate. And yeah, I'd rail if Tom Brady/Kevin Durant backed out Super Bowl/finals for unspecified mental reasons.

However, Biles said she felt like she wasn't doing gymnastics for herself. If even 0.1% of her felt like she was doing gymnastics for Larry Nassar, the rest of the world can **** off. We're also talking about someone with multiple gold medals to her name. She knows the pressure and has proven she could handle it over long periods of time. Whatever she is thinking now, she deserves some benefit of the doubt when she says she needs to withdraw to protect her mental health.

TLDR: Simone Biles deserves both our sympathy and gratitude.

because of the stigma around mental health, usa gymnastics initially said biles withdrew due to injury.

biles contradicted usa gymnastics, and said "no, physically i'm fine. it's a mental thing"


another biles story.... im fuzzy on the details. but the legendary coach bella karoli had a training camp that was the headquarters of usa gymnastics for decades. it was an abusive place, but no one had the courage to speak up against them. until simone biles did, and the place was shut down.


i noticed she was standing last night for the racist national anthem though

at least part of the reason an nfl player would get more criticism for withdrawing for mental health is because of the demographics of the fans/culture.

nfl fans are largely a bro culture

gymnasitcs fans not as much of a bro culture

the land of the scumbags.

Sure, and I'm sure that exists -- although I haven't gone down that rabbit hole.

Yes, and also reckless and unwise.

I do get Alobar's point here.

Absolutely deserves sympathy. It sucks when you train for something so long and just not be able to perform. It sucks she was put on such a pedestal by the media as a perfect being so far ahead of everyone she cannot lose. I feel bad for her personally. She tried to push through it to the point where she could have been seriously injury, and pulled out when it became inevitable. It takes a superhuman to deal with the pressure she had.

Now the media acting like this was a good thing and she still is a superhuman, annoying as hell.

Bravery or abuse?

Worst part was, she didn't even need to do the vault for them to win.

Idk how to break this to you, but

Without reading a single post I will just say yes she does , being unkind to another human being who is obviously suffering is not a good thing to do is it?

Everybody gotta suffer some time, Red.

Noticed that you misspelled my name despite it being very easy to spell, the ****witery in this one is great

Uncited Imgur image, not even going to bring up bias in science. Try again— or don’t.

Imo sympathy should be extended whenever possible for that exact reason.

Here is the original paper. Sample of 120k Danish people access the lifespan:

Inequality in personality over the life cycle

Here are the results replicated in the US (N = 300k):

Sex differences in 30 facets of the five factor model of personality in the large public (N = 320,128)

and again using a worldwide sample (N = 1.2M):

Age differences in personality traits from 10 to 65: Big Five domains and facets in a large cross-sectional sample.

yw.

No, actually I was para-quoting Platoon, but keep making everything about yourself.

Neat. These are behind a paywall, is there anyway to freely access the information?

I’m also not sure this means “women are wired differently” as the OP said… it seems like these studies are framed in a societal context that places gender as socially constructed and impacting material conditions of men and women— not implying the “wiring” or essential nature of “men” and “women” are different. I’m just basing this on the free abstract though, which references socioeconomic conditions, I do not have access the the entirety of the study to see how they might support the original claim, and your claim by proxy, but I’d like to read it. It does strike me as odd that they exclusively look at two categories (men and women) but perhaps they define these terms more clearly elsewhere in the study.

It's just trivially true that women are "wired" differently with a different mix of hormones (many of which we know to affect mood).

Whether women's "wiring" is better* or has a significant impact on their professional choices beyond social influences is a whole different question. There is a lot of management literature arguing women do tend to manage differently and their management styles should be given more credit (pay).

*A lot of the traits that women possess in higher quantities, per Elrazor's charts, are strong predictors of professional success. Take that for what you will.

Isn't gender a socially constructed term to describe the socially constructed differences between sexes, but not necessarily every difference.

Of the big 5 personality traits (as shown above), openness, conscientiousness and extraversion positively predicts success at work, and agreeableness and neuroticism negatively predict success.

As we can see by the data, women have a slightly advantage in O, C and E, so this is in their favour at work. On the other hand, women score much more highly relative to the other three traits in A and N, which negatively predict success. This gap is largest before age 30.

Even by crudely adding the numbers up, we can see that men's personalities are better predictors of workplace success. This is no surprise as women have partly selected men on the basis of workspace success for thousands of years. So I don't think the data supports your position on this one.

On your argument regarding female managers, I agree with this, but I'm not sure the empirical data is as clear. Certainly, women prefer people more than things, and this effect size is one of the largest in psychology, something around d = 1.6, so similar to the one for height difference and therefore in no way trivial. In addition, women also tend to have higher levels of empathy, and so it would make sense they would, on average, tend to perform better as managers.

On the other hand, men will make far greater sacrifices (e.g., work far longer hours, move location) pursing status goals (e.g., management). Therefore, it's not necessarily surprising women have not translated their slightly higher aptitude for management into success, as personality is not the only predictor at play.

This whole conversation is ridiculous lmao

I just wanted to give her a hug when I saw she'd backed out. She's spent years preparing for this competition so I doubt she'd back out without good reason. RE: The argument that she denied another gymnast her spot, they always had a few reserves waiting in the wings so at worst she denied someone the experience of being a reserve. As maybe the best to ever do what she does I think she earned the right to give herself a chance to compete in Tokyo.

What the **** is this thread