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Old 05-24-2010, 01:02 PM   #601
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Re: Does earning $65k per year mean you're poor?

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until 18 months ago i was a young couple so i disagree with that.
It will be a fun thread thats been done on other forums.
I think it will be fun. I know I couldn't participate unless I was willing to eat plain rice for five of the seven days but after topics / conversations like these the GF and I have tried stuff like living on $30/day for food and they are fun for a couple of days. The reason I don't think younger people could go a week on forgotten food is simply that they don't tend to own freezers or sub-zero fridges with massive storage. Even if I had time to prepare for this I think the max I could fit in the freezer part of my fridge is two weeks worth of food and that would mean not having ice or any type of frozen desert type of stuff wasting space.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:09 PM   #602
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For 4k a month you can spend years travelling the world and living very well, and even saving money, a lifestyle only trust fund kids can afford in their twenties.
What you mean is he can backpack which is very different than travel in the same fashion as a trust fund kid. Even then he would have to be selective about where he goes and mix in a large portion of non-western countries.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:34 PM   #603
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Henry, you might be surprised. I know that you eat a lot more meat than I do because of your dietary preferences, but I can fit quite a bit into the freezer of our standard apartment-issue refrigerator. In a way, it may arguably be easier to forget food because it sinks to the back/bottom, instead of having an easy organizational system like I'd have room for in a proper deep-freeze.

Just this weekend I found some beautiful pork tenderloin that I'd forgotten was there. I had purchased 2 tenderloins when they were marked down from $6/lb to $2/lb and never used them.

Last edited by VoraciousReader; 05-24-2010 at 01:37 PM. Reason: We had roast pork w/a honey mustard glaze, sauteed apples & onions, crispy oven-roasted yukon gold potatoes and baby carrots.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:41 PM   #604
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Henry, you might be surprised. I know that you eat a lot more meat than I do because of your dietary preferences, but I can fit quite a bit into the freezer of our standard apartment-issue refrigerator. In a way, it may arguably be easier to forget food because it sinks to the back/bottom, instead of having an easy organizational system like I'd have room for in a proper deep-freeze.

Just this weekend I found some beautiful pork tenderloin that I'd forgotten was there. I had purchased 2 tenderloins when they were marked down from $6/lb to $2/lb and never used them.
exactly...i have a small freezer (my fridge one, i dont have a deep freeze) and i know theres at least a dozen odds and ends protiens in there. Not to mention that the week in question would have at least 1-2 vegetarian meals/soups.

to make it more realistic it will probably be just dinners fwiw.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:39 PM   #605
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Somebody bump that one thread where we make fun of stuff like this plz.
I hate to link to science reporting in a news paper but I'm too lazy to look up the real studies http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/he...l.html?_r=1&em
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:07 PM   #606
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What you mean is he can backpack which is very different than travel in the same fashion as a trust fund kid. Even then he would have to be selective about where he goes and mix in a large portion of non-western countries.
For a lot of 9 to 5 4k a month office drones, the life of a 4k a month poker player travelling the world is an unattainable dream. Even if they could get the time off, they would be losing money while travelling. In that sense it is "baller," but you are right, it is pretty much one step above backpacking.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:22 PM   #607
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lol @ buying frozen meat
lol @ 2-3lbs of meat being 3-4 meals
lol @ what some of you people try to pass off as acceptable food to upper middle class people
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:27 PM   #608
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lol @ buying frozen meat
lol @ 2-3lbs of meat being 3-4 meals
lol @ what some of you people try to pass off as acceptable food to upper middle class people
? 3 pounds of steak is like 4000 calories.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:31 PM   #609
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sometime soon Im going to be starting a "dont buy groceries for a week" thread where you only use your pantry, freezer and other leftover staples for a whole week of meals. I urge you to participate so you can really see how much you are overspending. look me up in a few weeks.
Sounds pretty vile, I can't imagine you'd eat well with restrictions like that. I pretty much pop over everyday to my local shop for fresh stuff.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:36 PM   #610
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theres nothing wrong with buying meat thats frozen...if you dont go grocery shopping more than once a week you'll be freezing food anyway or throwing it out.

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are you fat? be honest

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lol @ what some of you people try to pass off as acceptable food to upper middle class people
ive never been upper middle class... but my financial well-being is better than OP's with less than half his income....and i eat better than both of you, i guarantee it.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:38 PM   #611
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theres nothing wrong with buying meat thats frozen...if you dont go grocery shopping more than once a week you'll be freezing food anyway or throwing it out.


are you fat? be honest



ive never been upper middle class... but my financial well-being is better than OP's with less than half his income....and i eat better than both of you, i guarantee it.
lololololololololololololololol
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:42 PM   #612
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Sounds pretty vile, I can't imagine you'd eat well with restrictions like that. I pretty much pop over everyday to my local shop for fresh stuff.
my schedule doesnt allow me to do this anymore...i'd go to the local farms every other day if i could.

that being said im pretty capable cook to say the least. Check out the thread when i eventually start it. You'll be surprised.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:50 PM   #613
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For a lot of 9 to 5 4k a month office drones, the life of a 4k a month poker player travelling the world is an unattainable dream. Even if they could get the time off, they would be losing money while travelling. In that sense it is "baller," but you are right, it is pretty much one step above backpacking.
I think you are confusing your own personal preferences with something being baller. Travelling on a shoe-string budget is not baller. (I feel ******ed for using that term so many times in one thought)

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theres nothing wrong with buying meat thats frozen...if you dont go grocery shopping more than once a week you'll be freezing food anyway or throwing it out.
I'm not sure if I would call it "wrong" but it is certainly less desirable.

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I have never met him but based on what I know that is a pretty funny question. For people who eat meat-centric diets the 3.5-4oz servings are kind of a joke. A typical meal for my GF and I involves way over a pound of meat and very little of anything else. Eating a lot of meat isn't going to make you fat as much as eating a big plate of pasta with a little meat.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:55 PM   #614
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Eating a lot of meat isn't going to make you fat as much as eating a big plate of pasta with a little meat.
reputable reference please. If you're going to spout carb BS at me save it.

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interesting... care to elaborate? Havent worn my lord of the flies hat for a while....im a little OOt-rusty

fwiw i said that because i cook more than most people do...and quite well actually.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:59 PM   #615
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thremp is paying some nutrition expert cold hard kroons to tell him to eat his veggies, so you're probably not eating better than him
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:03 PM   #616
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thremp is paying some nutrition expert cold hard kroons to tell him to eat his veggies, so you're probably not eating better than him
when i said "eating better" I didnt mean "eating healthier"

Now his comment is even more bewildering to me.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:09 PM   #617
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FWIW my cousin is a ****ing idiot and he's a nutrition expert.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:20 PM   #618
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what is the problem with buying frozen meat or freezing fresh meat you bought?
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:24 PM   #619
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doesnt it detract from the quality? or is that some ******o rumor
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:27 PM   #620
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it depends on a lot of things but yes depending on several factors it does. that being said id be willing to bet that at least half of oot couldnt tell the difference between a fresh and frozen steak if its frozen and thawed properly.
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I think the primary difference is with texture and maybe taste, but AFAIK there is no nutritional difference since they are quick frozen and done so pretty quickly after slaughter and/or harvest. However, if this is incorrect I'd love to know why.
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when i said "eating better" I didnt mean "eating healthier"

Now his comment is even more bewildering to me.
You don't understand the thermic effect of food or the sating effect of protein. High protein consumption (IE much higher than RDA) has numerous dietary benefits wrt body composition. So while "A calorie is a calorie" is true in a sense... It is most certainly not true when you actually consume them and account for what your body does with them.

But you almost certainly knew that.

wtf does eating better mean. Freezing your meat lowers the quality of it. Buying non-fresh seafood/meat EVEN IF THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME CUTS are lower quality inherently.

If you want to argue some pointless, I eat better because I'm a chef. Okay great. You eat lower quality food if you're eating frozen meat. Its not a debatable topic. Sure you can try to argue the merits of frozen meat. In which case virtually everything you'd argue would apply to eating dogfood, or freeganism.

NB: There are laws regarding frozen meat. I'm sure these were created because frozen meat is of the same quality as fresh.
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I think the primary difference is with texture and maybe taste, but AFAIK there is no nutritional difference since they are quick frozen and done so pretty quickly after slaughter and/or harvest. However, if this is incorrect I'd love to know why.

theres not.
...and actually id also be willing to bet that no one itt has ever had actual "fresh" beef considering its illegal to sell anything considered "green" meat. (it has to be aged at least somewhat to remove some sort of toxin) the fresh/frozen debate isnt as black and white as most stuck-up foodies make it out to be....but i dont blame them...i was one of them and to a point still am.
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unless you consistently can't afford ANY food or a place to stay at all, you're not poor by any reasonable definition of the word. theres a big difference between poverty and living beyond your means.
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Thremp, what exactly is the quality difference? I am asking purely out of curiosity since I had never heard there was any difference other than texture. If thats all you mean, fine, but I don't see how thats more beneficial when price is considered. Most frozen meat is quick frozen and doesn't have any preservatives in it. It has the same amount of nutrients too (might even have more actually).

FWIW I usually always buy fresh, but I will buy a bag of frozen chicken breast/thighs from time to time.
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