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Old 05-21-2010, 07:10 PM   #301
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$800/mo for food/toiletries/misc items for two people is not that high, is it only shocking because 1/2 the posters ITT live in dorm rooms and live off ramen?
Ok so $10 per month per person for the olive oil.

$400 is still a lot for food.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:10 PM   #302
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"sous-vide machine"...... interesting and bizarre. Color me intrigued.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:11 PM   #303
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$800/mo for food/toiletries/misc items for two people is not that high, is it only shocking because 1/2 the posters ITT live in dorm rooms and live off ramen?
still seems pretty high for two people. The food bill shouldn't increase exponentially just because its two people instead of one.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:12 PM   #304
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Yes -- you can hang around other people's homes or in public parks. You can also wander around the street.
That's not true at all if you are open to exploring stuff beyond clubbing and restaurants and the mainstream culture stuff like (Off) Broadway, Carnegie, MET, etc. Some examples:

http://www.nonsensenyc.com/ (event emails, lots of loft parties and such, hit or miss but a solid two dozen options every weekend)

http://brooklynbased.net/ (Brooklyn events)

http://177livingston.org/ (readings, movie screenings, free classes)

http://www.3rdward.com/ (every Wednesday they do a drink-and-draw thing, it's like $5 for open bar and a live model to draw)

http://issueprojectroom.org/ (this place is new I think; in any case I haven't been there yet)

http://gowanusstudio.org/wp/ (parties, art shows, etc)

http://proteusgowanus.com/main/readi...morbid-anatomy (every Thursday night they do this Fixers Collective thing; you can bring an iPod to mod or an old chair to fix or whatever & the people there will teach you and help you do it)

http://mcnallyjackson.com/index.php/nyc_book_events (author readings)

http://www.thekitchen.org/ (theaterish stuff)

All the museums have free/reduced admission days; Chelsea galleries are always free; some of the best movie theaters in the country (Anthology Film Archives, Sunshine, IFC, Film Forum, Angelika), etc

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Old 05-21-2010, 07:35 PM   #305
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400 square feet is like 120 square meters right, thats not a cell??
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:43 PM   #306
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So you basically go to thinks and then loiter?
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:44 PM   #307
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400 square feet is like 120 37 square meters right, thats not a cell??
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:46 PM   #308
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:48 PM   #309
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So you basically go to thinks and then loiter?
As opposed to what? Base-jumping while getting a blowjob? Most social activities in a city can be described as going to a place and loitering, if by loitering you mean talking to your friends, drawing, talking to an author about his book, meeting new people, hearing a band, learning how to weld, dancing, etc
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:50 PM   #310
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As opposed to what? Base-jumping while getting a blowjob? Most social activities in a city can be described as going to a place and loitering, if by loitering you mean talking to your friends, meeting new people, hearing a band, etc
No. Going to a place and consuming is not loitering. Going to a place and taking up space without consuming is loitering.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:57 PM   #311
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No. Going to a place and consuming is not loitering. Going to a place and taking up space without consuming is loitering.
Oh I see what you're saying. No, of course not. But all these places are cheap. They will run you $3-$50 for the whole evening, mostly on the lower end of that range.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:01 PM   #312
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So you basically go to thinks and then loiter?
For someone whose life story (as I understand it) consists of waking up one day around 30 and deciding to rededicate your life completely to having fun, being social, and displaying high status, you seem really boring and un-hip.

You never seem to have anything to say about a consumption choice (food, leisure activity, etc) that has anything to do with liking it. Your notion of food, for instance, is of course very limited, but more than that, seems to consist of - 'Here's something expensive that any idiot in North America would know to associate with having money and probably being important.' Your response to ilya pretty much the same attitude about fun venues.

It's as though you don't actually know how to have fun or maybe don't have any genuine aesthetic preferences of any strength; you just pick things based on how likely they are to successfully support your image. This sort of makes you a fish, in a weird way; you're almost like a perpetual tourist, not really comfortable with what you're doing, but just trying to blend in with what you're pretty sure you ought to be doing, which makes your image that much less convincing - there's no verisimilitude.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:03 PM   #313
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Anacardo, I think Henry17 just thought I was freeloading.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:07 PM   #314
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I spend $300/month on food.

I fail. I need to stop eating out so much. Bleh.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:12 PM   #315
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Anacardo, I think Henry17 just thought I was freeloading.
No he didn't, he just completely doesn't 'get' the kind of stuff you're talking about.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:13 PM   #316
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or maybe don't have any genuine aesthetic preferences of any strength
fwiw this was my take on The Man.

EDIT: or maybe his preferences are so weak they take a back seat to other considerations, also likely. I guess.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:22 PM   #317
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I think you guys are underestimating Henry17, but I could be wrong. I have perhaps not followed his career as closely as some others.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:23 PM   #318
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Oh I see what you're saying. No, of course not. But all these places are cheap. They will run you $3-$50 for the whole evening, mostly on the lower end of that range.
$3 is loitering. $50 is acceptable.

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For someone whose life story (as I understand it) consists of waking up one day around 30 and deciding to rededicate your life completely to having fun, being social, and displaying high status, you seem really boring and un-hip.
Nope. There was no life change at 30. Pretty much just took the university experience going. If you think that is boring or not depends on if you like that. I don't find it boring and given preferences other demonstrate neither does the majority.

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You never seem to have anything to say about a consumption choice (food, leisure activity, etc) that has anything to do with liking it. Your notion of food, for instance, is of course very limited, but more than that, seems to consist of - 'Here's something expensive that any idiot in North America would know to associate with having money and probably being important.' Your response to ilya pretty much the same attitude about fun venues.
That is a pretty horrible read given I have specifically stated that I hate foodie restaurants. I also don't like shrimp, lobster, caviar, fois gas, sushi, etc. I pretty much don't like any of the expensive stuff.

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It's as though you don't actually know how to have fun or maybe don't have any genuine aesthetic preferences of any strength; you just pick things based on how likely they are to successfully support your image.
And you say this based on what other than your own insecurities and the fact that you dislike me because for being able to see your pseudo-intellectualism for what it is?
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:24 PM   #319
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leave it to anacardo to deliver an aggressively resentful post with no basis whatsoever.
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No he didn't, he just completely doesn't 'get' the kind of stuff you're talking about.
Yes. I don't find sitting around listening to some loser read his crappy work while other idiots wax on about how it is brilliant fun.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:30 PM   #321
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Henry, when I said $3-$50 I meant that the amount you're expected to spend varies within that range from event to event. It is not loitering to spend $3 if everyone else is spending $3 and that's the expectation for that particular event. Though so low is the exception. I would say most of these events you're expected to spend ~$20.
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Yes. I don't find sitting around listening to some loser read his crappy work while other idiots wax on about how it is brilliant fun.
These events are hit or miss, there's no use denying it. I have definitely felt bored, bewildered, annoyed, and/or intellectually intimidated at these places, but I've also had a lot of great times. Not everyone in this world is a bs artist, and part of the fun is taking the risk.

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leave it to anacardo to deliver an aggressively resentful post with no basis whatsoever.
pretty hard to argue with this, but

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And you say this based on what other than your own insecurities and the fact that you dislike me because for being able to see your pseudo-intellectualism for what it is?
I rest my case with:

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Yes. I don't find sitting around listening to some loser read his crappy work while other idiots wax on about how it is brilliant fun.
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$3 is loitering. $50 is acceptable.

and the picking the mushrooms out of the foodz and the can't handle raw meat and the buys $15/pound staple proteins despite not actually liking how things taste and the what not. I don't even have to do this; the chiming in that is to come will surely do enough. Oh, and you look like Sean Hannity.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:39 PM   #324
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$800/mo for food/toiletries/misc items for two people is not that high, is it only shocking because 1/2 the posters ITT live in dorm rooms and live off ramen?

I'm 39. I have been married before. I currently live with my fiance. So from that aspect I am familiar in general with the two person household scenario (except that I have never lived in NYC which some insist makes a big difference here).

Did you not see the amount he spends on some of those items? I honestly don't know how it's possible to go through $20/mth in olive oil without being a chef at an Italian restaurant. $15/mth for laundry detergent means that he's doing over 30 loads of laundry a week. The amount he spends on the meat and fish and veggies seems pretty high too but I'm not even nitpicking on that part.

A lot of his numbers just don't make sense. Some are arguing the "OMG, it's so expensive in NYC" angle but until shown otherwise I just can't believe that freaking detergent really costs triple what it does pretty much everywhere else (and if it does then you could just buy it on the internet on amazon or walgreens.com or something).
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Claiming I don't have preferences yet in the same argument criticizing me for showing a preference for not eating mushrooms is great logic.

I have no idea what you mean with raw meat. Yes I prefer not hot handle raw meat. I think anyone who actually enjoys it likely has issues.

Also where did you get the idea that I don't like the taste of chicken? Do you just make **** up? Maybe less time with the thesaurus and dropping obscure reference so you can pretend to be intelligent would actually increase your reading comprehension.
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