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I'm kind of conflicted. My first reaction is that I don't want to get some random fired from a **** job for $40.

But when I think about it more im kind of like "**** that guy, he's got a simple job and he still can't be assed to do it properly, I would be doing the owner a favor by getting him to get rid of a ****ty employee and hiring someone who will maybe actually do the job they were hired to do. Plus $40".

So now I dunno

10-03-2018 , 06:10 PM

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Didace

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Correctly determining if someone is over/under 40 is not a simple thing.

10-03-2018 , 06:15 PM

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Fabian

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The idea that this would be even remotely closely connected to a personal responsibility of (with personal repercussions to) the seller, is simultaneously extremely American and supremely idiotic.

This idea that it could lead to personal consequences to the seller would never even have occurred to me, if not for the posters ITT. What a horrible environment that would be, I can barely even imagine.

10-03-2018 , 07:05 PM

#54

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Just card all the women and most of the men. EZ game

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It used to really bug me when I'm getting my pit degen on and the dealer keeps stopping to card everyone walking by the table every 10 minutes until I noticed everyone now looks 15

10-03-2018 , 07:40 PM

#55

Steve350

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Didace

Correctly determining if someone is over/under 40 is not a simple thing.

Especially when "over 21" is required.

10-03-2018 , 07:42 PM

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Alobar

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Originally Posted by Fabian

so ****ty lol euro jobs, the store owner just keeps cheerily shelling out $40 everytime Gunter forgets to do his job?

10-03-2018 , 07:45 PM

#57

Alobar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Didace

Correctly determining if someone is over/under 40 is not a simple thing.

Id be willing to bet whatever amount you want that I can correctly determine 100% of the time whether someone is under 40.

10-03-2018 , 07:52 PM

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Alobar,

If the store owner is idiotic enough to make a policy that anyone under 40 gets carded or gets $40, then yes any loss from that policy is on the store owner.

(narrator: he wasn't.)

10-03-2018 , 07:55 PM

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so what exactly does it take to get fired in euroland if you can cost your employer thousands of dolalrs and never lose your job?

10-03-2018 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabian

Alobar,

If the store owner is idiotic enough to make a policy that anyone under 40 gets carded or gets $40, then yes any loss from that policy is on the store owner.

(narrator: he wasn't.)

This.

10-03-2018 , 07:58 PM

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Alobar,

I'm not an expert on these things by any means, and I don't want to pretend to be one in the OOT OT thread.

But in the above scenario, I feel very confident that the manager would be fired for making an idiotic policy long long long before the guy in charge of the cash register would be fired for misjudging peoples' ages. And I think anything other than that result would be enormously idiotic.

10-03-2018 , 08:04 PM

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anonla

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Originally Posted by Alobar

so what exactly does it take to get fired in euroland if you can cost your employer thousands of dolalrs and never lose your job?

You can get fired for a huge number of things, but not in this case. It would be such a lawsuit. And the idea that the cashier would have to pay it from his money is sooooo ridiculous. Also immediate law suit. Arbeitsgericht. Like with speed of light.

10-03-2018 , 08:15 PM

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It's not legal to make the cashier pay for it in America either. I suspect you'd probably get fired the second time you ****ed up tho.

10-03-2018 , 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alobar

It's not legal to make the cashier pay for it in America either. I suspect you'd probably get fired the second time you ****ed up tho.

Like I said, what an absolutely ridiculous working environment. You thinking otherwise (and I'm assuming you do based on #51, correct me if I'm wrong) is pretty surprising to me. Prison changed you.

10-03-2018 , 08:40 PM

#65

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It's not that hard to just ID everyone, so while the working environment likely sucks, its because it's a ****ty min wage job that takes no skill and is probably managed by some burnout who takes his power way too seriously, and has nothing to do with the simple task of IDing people which is your main responsibility.

It is definitely surprising to me tho thinking that the attitudes in other parts of the world are that doing your job isn't really required or comes with any sort repercussions if you do it poorly.

10-03-2018 , 09:29 PM

#66

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extort the clerk for $20. Better for everyone.

10-03-2018 , 10:19 PM

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Alobar,

"Doing your job isn't really required" is a really poor mischaracterization of what I've been saying, to the point where I feel like you should definitely understand that, since I know for sure that you're not an idiot. Surely you understand that's not what I'm saying?

What I'm saying isn't "doing your job isn't required", what I'm saying is "having that as part of your job description, under threat of getting fired if you do it wrong" is ridiculous.

10-03-2018 , 10:22 PM

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2/325Falcon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alobar

I would be doing the owner a favor by getting him to get rid of a ****ty employee and hiring someone who will maybe actually do the job they were hired to do. Plus $40".

So now I dunno

Or maybe the new guy is an ID checking nazi that steals from the register.

10-03-2018 , 11:10 PM

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Howard Treesong

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I'm not buying it. What's your thought process?

The reason for the rule is to ensure cashiers card everyone so that the store doesn’t get penalized for thousands when an alcohol board inspector comes in and doesn’t get carded. If I pass on the 40, it only encourages cashiers to make further mistakes that cost their company far more.

I’d invariably just buy more booze with the forty dollar windfall.

10-03-2018 , 11:12 PM

#70

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In America, Fabian, you get fired if you don’t do your job.

10-03-2018 , 11:13 PM

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Id be willing to bet whatever amount you want that I can correctly determine 100% of the time whether someone is under 40.

That’s obviously impossible. You claim to be able to distinguish someone who is 39 and 364/365 from someone who is 40 and a day? LOL.

10-03-2018 , 11:22 PM

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grando1.0

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No idea who's even trolling anymore

10-03-2018 , 11:27 PM

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Garick

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Speaking of liquor. Currently sucking down the rum to calm my adrenaline after my second run in with killer potholes in a month.

Last time it led to a blowout that left me on the side of the freeway, but happy that I had avoided the overpass support pillar.

This time the tire survived, but it bent the rim and threw the alignment off. Was able to buy a rim this evening, but not to get an alignment, so drive home was still rather sporty.

10-03-2018 , 11:28 PM

#74

Didace

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Id be willing to bet whatever amount you want that I can correctly determine 100% of the time whether someone is under 40.

Devise a fair test that we can actually do, and you're on.

10-03-2018 , 11:33 PM

#75

marknfw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian

What I'm saying isn't "doing your job isn't required", what I'm saying is "having that as part of your job description, under threat of getting fired if you do it wrong" is ridiculous.

So, you're saying card everyone or you get fired is ridiculous? How many fines from selling to underage people would it take to get you to change your mind? I agree that the $40 reward to customers for not getting carded is idiotic, but expecting the clerk, as part of his job, to card everyone or risk getting fired seems pretty standard.

As far as the $40 part, I wonder how many of Joe Clerk's friends will roll through and collect on that on his last day of work, lol.

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