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03-13-2018 , 12:49 PM

amazinmets73

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A few months ago I purchased a vehicle with a P.A title. The title was in poor shape when I received it and sustained further damage in the proceeding months. I recently attempted to register my car in N.J and was refused due to the condition of the title.

Title has been signed and notarized, and those sections remain legible. I've called several tag services, including the original notarizer. All have informed me the previous owner is the only party that can obtain a new title. Previous owner has not returned my voice mails.

What are my options here?

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03-13-2018 , 01:00 PM

Didace

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Go back in time and get the car retitled when you were supposed to?

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03-13-2018 , 01:45 PM

michelle227

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Is there only one location where the registration can occur? If so, was a supervisor involved? May be worth trying to go back on a different day and hitting a different window if there was no supervisor called into the equation...

Have no idea how a title gets so mangled that it becomes illegible though...even the one on a vehicle Dad registered in 1970 still looked new when we had to re-register them to the estate after he passed...

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03-13-2018 , 02:04 PM

Larry Legend

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After the not returned voice mails, what happened when you sent a certified letter to the previous owner?

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03-13-2018 , 02:46 PM

El Diablo

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amazin,

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Originally Posted by amazinmets73

The title was in poor shape when I received it and sustained further damage in the proceeding months.

What were you doing with the title that got it damaged?

Did you do this to transfer the title when you bought the car? https://www.dmv.org/pa-pennsylvania/title-transfers.php

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03-13-2018 , 02:59 PM

capone0

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The bigger question is how is Amazing living with himself driving around a bloodmouth mobile?

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03-13-2018 , 03:21 PM

amazinmets73

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Originally Posted by michelle227

The DMV clerk called her manager for a final opinion; he declined the title on the grounds that it could not be scanned. The signatures and notary stamp remain fully legible.

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03-13-2018 , 03:22 PM

amazinmets73

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Originally Posted by El Diablo

amazin,

What were you doing with the title that got it damaged?

Did you do this to transfer the title when you bought the car? https://www.dmv.org/pa-pennsylvania/title-transfers.php

Yes, but at a private title and tag service, as is customary in P.A

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03-13-2018 , 03:23 PM

amazinmets73

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend

After the not returned voice mails, what happened when you sent a certified letter to the previous owner?

I have yet to do so.

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03-13-2018 , 03:29 PM

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txdome

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What's P.A?

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03-13-2018 , 03:37 PM

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capone0

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It's pennsylvania. I read Amazin'.

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03-13-2018 , 03:56 PM

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Neil S

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Originally Posted by txdome

What's P.A?

P.A. Paracus is a character on the A Peam

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03-13-2018 , 03:59 PM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by amazinmets73

Yes, but at a private title and tag service, as is customary in P.A

What does this service actually do?

ETA: Wait, is the car titled in your name in PA? Get a duplicate title.

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03-13-2018 , 04:06 PM

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amazinmets73

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Originally Posted by Didace

What does this service actually do?

ETA: Wait, is the car titled in your name in PA? Get a duplicate title.

No, it's simply been signed and notarized. According to the tag service the individual I purchased the vehicle from is the legal owner. Therefore I am ineligible to request a duplicate; the previous (technically current) owner must.

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03-13-2018 , 04:30 PM

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Didace

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The what the hell does a title and tag service do?

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03-13-2018 , 04:35 PM

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ddollevoet

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Originally Posted by amazinmets73

That sounds right to me. The title is still in the previous owner's name and the previous owner still owns the car.

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03-13-2018 , 04:35 PM

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amazinmets73

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Car titles in PA are handled by private "title and tag" services and organizations like the AAA (you don't have to be a member to use their services, but you are charged more).

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03-13-2018 , 04:40 PM

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Tom Ames

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Originally Posted by Neil S

P.A. Paracus is a character on the A Peam

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03-13-2018 , 04:43 PM

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Didace

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I just did a quick search, but are you sure the service didn't title the car in your name in PA. That seems like what they are supposed to do.

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03-13-2018 , 04:45 PM

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El Diablo

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Amazin,

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dv...fs-buysell.pdf

Did you go through those steps and transfer the title with the tag service? I'll assume you did and the title was transferred to you. In that case: http://www.dmv.pa.gov/VEHICLE-SERVIC...-Products.aspx

Which says you need to fill out this form and send in: http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dv...rms/MV-38O.pdf

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03-13-2018 , 04:54 PM

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amazinmets73

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Yes, I opted for the 90 day temp tags.

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03-13-2018 , 04:57 PM

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El Diablo

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Amazin,

OK, so follow the instructions in the form I linked and get a duplicate/replacement title.

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03-14-2018 , 09:33 AM

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crdjeep

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Originally Posted by txdome

What's P.A?

Everyone in Pennsylvania calls it PA

kinda of funny when you tell someone and they looked puzzled.

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03-14-2018 , 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ddollevoet

That sounds right to me. The title is still in the previous owner's name and the previous owner still owns the car.

Legally, I doubt it (especially since it is notarized). If I remember correctly, you have to present a title to get temp tags (and that's just common sense). So PA clearly thinks the title is acceptable, while NJ is having a problem. In my state, you can get temp tags, but you don't surrender the title for a new one until you actually register the car fully.

I can only imagine NJ is more expensive, so I would've definitely registered my car in PA before moving.