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Everything that isn't the 6 movies has been tossed. That doesn't mean they wont follow plotlines established during all the other stuff released, it just means they are free to do whatever the **** they want.

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12-23-2015 , 07:03 PM

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I'm still a little unclear, because all the events we're referring to are after III and before IV. These things were never in any movie, so they're not tossable really.

Unless you're saying anything that literally didn't happen in one of the movies is no longer canon. What about all those clone wars cartoons, for example? None of that counts? Who even decides what is canon and what isn't?

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12-23-2015 , 07:10 PM

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I'm not sure what's confusing to you about what was just said.

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12-23-2015 , 07:27 PM

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Canon is the 7 movies plus the Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. I had to go pretty deep to find that information. Had to Google "Star Wars canon" and click the first link.

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12-23-2015 , 10:17 PM

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Canon is the 7 movies plus the Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. I had to go pretty deep to find that information. Had to Google "Star Wars canon" and click the first link.

Back to what started this, we know from Rebels that some Jedi did survive the purge. So... carry on.

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12-23-2015 , 10:22 PM

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Back to what started this, we know from Rebels that some Jedi did survive the purge. So... carry on.

Ok, then so what's the answer to the questions below? The first answer I got sounded like the part about the surviving Jedi got thrown out.

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I was just reading about this now but gave up after about 20 minutes. Here's a couple of questions for anyone who knows this stuff.

1. It's not clear why Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't try to organize the remaining Jedi and try to take down the Emperor. There were a lot of them.

2. It appears that Vader actually took at at least a couple of apprentices (converted Jedi) and trained them. How did those guys die prior to episode IV? The wikis for those characters don't explain.

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12-23-2015 , 10:31 PM

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And we're back to all that stuff being thrown out.

The problem is that almost all of the information we have comes from Expanded Universe sources which are separate from the new movies. Whether any of those issues will be addressed in the new continuality, I have no clue.

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12-23-2015 , 10:48 PM

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I haven't seen the Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. I've just read various wookiepedia pages and it wasn't clear what came from where.

Anyway, let's just focus on the first question: Why did Yoda and Obi-Wan not try to get the surviving Jedi together and oppose the Emperor?

A. There were no surviving Jedi (that part was thrown out)
B. This just wasn't addressed in the canon. Nobody knows.
C. None of the above.

From you previous post it seems like A is clearly not the answer. So it must be B or C. If it's C, then what was the reason.

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12-23-2015 , 10:48 PM

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Obi Wan and Yoda may have tried to organize something before ANh we just don't know. Or maybe they thought they best chance of winning was to bide their time and lay low and wait for Luke and Leia to come of age BC they knew one or the other would be super powerful

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12-23-2015 , 10:53 PM

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Kylo wasn't supposed to be some super villain yet. He was clearly 1b to Hux in command. Hux talked down to him in the movie and Ren just took it. Ren was clearly persuaded by the dark side, but isn't anything like Vader was yet.

It seemed to me that Ren killed the other jedi after not much time. Ren would likely have the most natural power and killing many other padawans makes sense if they're not well trained. So, this happened what, ~15 years before the events of VII?

Kylo nearly died and is lucky to be able to walk after getting blasted by Chewy. Fighting with a lightsaber is probably exhausting, even if you're not suffering from a very bad wound. I had no problem with this fight. I hate pretending that using a lightsaber is so tough for anyone and that it's the most special weapon in all of cinema.

Very few posts on Oscar Isaac, he was great.

I think Hux would have been so much better if an older actor drew that role, it was kinda hard to take him seriously when he's as baby-faced as Kylo imo

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12-23-2015 , 10:54 PM

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I only watched the first season of rebels, but this is the closest we get to an answer, that I know of:

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12-23-2015 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

Thanks.

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12-24-2015 , 01:21 AM

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You are probably the worst poster i have seen in a while. Like you're really bad at this

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12-24-2015 , 01:36 AM

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I always imagined they went into hiding. Nobody could defeat Vader, he was just too powerful.

Obi-Wan had just defeated him at the end of III, he just couldn't bring himself to deliver the death blow.

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12-24-2015 , 01:38 AM

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I only watched the first season of rebels, but this is the closest we get to an answer, that I know of:

Thanks. I guess that is almost no explanation, but leaves open lots of possibilities. Do you know if that inquisitor dude at the end was a Sith also? I read somewhere (not sure if the source was canon or not) that Vader trained one of them.

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12-24-2015 , 01:52 AM

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The whole cast could have benefited from some age diversity and better acting. Think of the original. Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were both quite young, but Harrison Ford was already in his 30s, a lot of the rebels and imperials were 30-something to middle aged, and Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing were of course already in their twilight years.

For 99% of this movie, every single human being not named Han or Leia looked like they were in their 20s or younger. It was like watching a ****ing Twilight movie set in the Star Wars universe.

Of course, if there had been that diversity of ages in this movie, you would have said "Here we go again--two young people, one older dude, and two codgers. How unimaginative and derivative of Episode IV." I think some of your criticisms are perfectly valid (even though I don't think they detract from the movie as much as you do), but now you're just being a dick and looking for more reasons to **** on it.

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12-24-2015 , 02:17 AM

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You are probably the worst poster i have seen in a while. Like you're really bad at this

I did lol at 'there is no canon in movies,' tho.

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12-24-2015 , 03:39 AM

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Nobody cares about the prequels.

You don't need to rely on the prequels. As they're about to duel in IV, Vader tells Obi-Wan that he should have killed him when he had the chance. So even without seeing the prequels, we know that Obi-Wan at some point in the past could have killed Vader, but didn't.

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12-24-2015 , 04:15 AM

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Obi-Wan had just defeated him at the end of III, he just couldn't bring himself to deliver the death blow.

Pain and suffering make Sith stronger.

Obi Wan beat ANAKIN, but could not beat Vader.

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12-24-2015 , 05:26 AM

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Found this, pretty convincing argument for Snoke being Plagueis:

according to this they used the same theme music from ep III when sidious is talking about plagueis in the council chamber. Seems pretty confirmed to me.

Also, Snoke (even discounting the hologram illusion effect) is very tall and thin, resembling the Muun species, which Plagueis is supposed to be.

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12-24-2015 , 05:48 AM

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Its probably Jar Jar

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I realize I'm talking to mostly 20somethings who sit around in their spiderman underwear and play internet poker all day, but it's time to put on the big boy pants and go out into the real world. There is no such thing as canon in movie franchises. It's not a religion.

You're just wrong then. There are people that like the background, history, and details that can't make it into the movies. You'll probably come back with some super edgy mom's basement line but you just can't keep saying "ITS NOT A RELIGION" and be correct.

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12-24-2015 , 07:54 AM

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They never got into it in the show that I remember.

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12-24-2015 , 08:18 AM

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One thing that is mentioned but not explored at all in the films, is the Knights of Ren.

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12-24-2015 , 08:37 AM

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Also an interesting theory I saw on utubz.

When talking to vaders helmet Ren says "Show me again the power of the darkside"

Theory is that Ren saw a vision of Darth, or a ghost whatever, that somehow seduceded him to the darkside, and that maybe Snoke created the vision using his powers.