Rotten Tomatoes audience score for The Last Jedi (58%) is now lower than any other live action Star Wars movie, and lower than Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and other movies universally acknowledged as wretched.



This thing obviously will not bomb but gotta imagine the box office is going to be super, super front-loaded as word of mouth gets out this thing is kinda crap. Wonder if Disney is re-thinking signing up Rian Johnson for his own trilogy.

Yikes. Going to see this tonight.

Obviously I know the critics that get to see it early have motivation to give positive reviews, but this is the biggest disparity I can ever remember.

Early reviews were that this movie was GOAT level Star Wars. Nearly every audience review is a 3/10 at best.

I do have to admit I was relieved to look here/reddit/RT and see that I wasn't alone in my opinion. Me, my wife, my daughter and her BF, and 4 nieces/nephews all went together to see it, and my wife was the only one that agreed that it was awful (one nephew did admit it was kinda cheesy in spots but still wasn't negative about it). I swear it's a generational thing.

The only 'it's generational' argument I can see is if you're in your 30s or 40s and grew up enjoying the movies. You probably imagined what a fully trained Luke Skywalker would be like in a universe without any other strong opponents who wield the force. And you heard a new trilogy was finally coming after the long wait. And then you dreamed up how Lucasfilm would do fanservice ala Rogue One wherein you at least got 2 minutes of Darth Vader at the height of his powers doing carnage against a bunch of Rebel mooks on the Tantive IV or whatever.

And The Force Awakens built for just that: everyone is looking for Luke because once he's part of the battle, he's going to wield his Jedi powers and dominate.

That's what everyone *wanted* to see. One scene of Luke just kicking everyone's ass.

I don't even think that's a failing of the movie, but I can guess that's underlying *some* of the criticism that people didn't get it and realize now they will never get it.

I think Disney frankly gets SOME credit for not going full fan-service. For a zillion dollar soulless mega conglomerate, they had some obvious moves I think almost everyone else would have done but they didn't: Audiences desperately wanted scenes with Han/Leia/Luke together on screen again; they never got it. They wanted that one scene of Luke dominating all the bad guys in a light saber duel. Never got it.

if there's a generational thing it's much more about tone expectations and plot structure than it is about legacy characters meeting certain expectations

I love the 'serious' (obviously in quotes because it's a fantasy space movie but serious in the sense that the prequels and parts of the new ones are specifically not) space western style of the originals. all three are paced brilliantly. The slappy Marvelization of the new movies is just hard to watch

To be fair I would've liked one scene of Luke kicking ass.

I'm in my 40s, grew up with the movies, and I have zero problems with the movie focusing on Luke's failures; I thought Yoda's line about that was one of the best parts of the movie. Taking the old characters in a different direction is actually great, and I actually would have felt cheated if we just had old Luke hacking people up with his saber for two hours.

I'm pretty much with GBP04 on this. My problems with the movie were that much of the plot, tone, and humor were absolute dog****.

I think action/adventure movies today are terrified of taking themselves too seriously lest they repeat the failures of the mid-2000s comic book movies that were so often panned (rightfully). hence we see Marvel basically making lighthearted popcorn movies and that has controlled the industry more or less. but Star Wars is different, and it's subject doesn't need the slapstick to be funny or interesting. the original trilogy is funny without being slapstick. C3P0 as the choir is funny. Jawas are funny. fat aliens on bespin with conveyor belts are funny. Yoda is funny. that one droid burning the other droids feet is funny.

call if Speilbergian attitude or whatever but I kind of like it when 'unserious' subjects are treated seriously (Jaws, Indiana Jones, ET, etc). throw in some human dialogue and the lightheartedness takes care of itself. we don't need entire characters (Finn / alien lady / etc.) being slapstick vehicles. Definitely don't need a visual gag in every scene.

hell, even Escape from new york took itself pretty seriously. I thought there was humor in that. can you imagine that being made today?

Again, this film was even more visually stunning than I expected. Breathtaking at times.

But my god, there was just so much **** jam packed into every scene, scene after scene, at breakneck pace. I barely had a second to think, much less use my imagination god forbid.

Speaking of box office, I am downgrading my projections to 886.2 million domestic by February 18th upon discovery that rumors of Baby Chewbacca were unfounded.

I thought it was great. Some of you are overthinking it too much. It's Star Wars. It's supposed to be entertaining, not a movie that wins Best Picture.

It was purposely made to look like Rey was gonna save Kylo Ren like Luke saved Vader and it was a complete 180. So now Kylo has killed his father and Snoke. And he was hell bent on killing Luke.

But Luke played the greatest Jedi mind trick of all. We DID see him using his full powers.

Also, the movie was a giant **** you to the Trump administration. They had the resistance capitalized in all letters in the scroll, the movie is about hope and kindness, the leaders are women, and the final scene passes the Bechtel test.

Right. So what happened?

RE: the low Rotten Tomatoes audience score. A counter point:

http://deadline.com/2017/12/the-last...rd-1202227654/

ComScore are professional marketers/analysts who measure audience reactions and are clearly more scientific than Rotten Tomatoes audience score.

Which isn't to say I think one metric is obviously correct and the other not. But what it seems to say to me is this movie is divisive, compared to say The Force Awakens which I suspect probably had less strongly divergent views and more people settled around the median impression, so to speak.

It's also one day in which should mean most of the reviewers are star wars loyalists who are going to love the movie no matter what.

If anything I think it's a large subset of the hardcore fans hating on it. General audiences will enjoy it... it's a pretty good Marvel movie.

Worse than most marvel movies for me. I like the marvel films. They do what they are trying to do well. This star wars didn't know what it wanted to be.

That scene with Luke milking that weird sea cow thingy definitely wasn't necessary lol.

Just saw it, wasn't bad imo. Quite enjoyed it. Not as good as Rogue One, better than TFA.

Mentioned above, the "bomber run" was my most disliked thing. Nonsensical / stupid in almost all aspects. Those comedy puffin creatures were overused by about double.

The comedy did get some smiles out of me at times. Favourite was Finn knowing the route to the nearest escape pod, and "right away commander".

This would have been tolerable if underwhelming at 95 minutes, at 153 minutes it is an abomination.

Movie is infinitely better than The Force Awakens. Im assuming everyone thats bashing this movie liked the other one better.

It does have about 5 different ending spots so the ending did feel like it dragged on slightly, but yeah its very entertaining and better than most the other Star Wars

Im 24 if we're sticking with the trend of lol old people

kylo/rey was the only reasonably good part of the movie. as a whole this movie was pretty bad, like 1-3 bad. TFA and R1 light years better and anyone saying its close to those or the original 4-6 needs to have their head examined ( i bet you ****ing like big bang theory too you muppets ).

5>6~4>R1>7>3>2~8>1

Its funny that people "crave" for original movie ideas but when it comes to Star Wars they just want to relive 4,5 and 6. 7 was a complete waste of money. If I wanted to watch A New Hope, I wouldve just popped in the DVD

I still don't understand how there is such a big gap between critic and audience review on RT, for a movie that is a "blockbuster" like this. I can understand it for "artsy" films, and it happens a decent amount of the time for those. But for a blockbuster? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. Is anyone else considering the possibility that Disney panicked over initial reviews of the movies (before even critic release), and "bought" some RT reviews to make a run for big weekend and first week $$? This movie seemed like it had a lot of stuff in it that critics usually rip to shreds