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Old 07-21-2008, 11:30 AM   #151
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

a good wrestler that is much bigger and stronger would probably be best served by stuffing his takedowns and throwing haymakers. if he's big and strong enough and in wrestling shape he'd be a favorite to win and a big favorite to last three rounds.
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drake's wrestling is sick. he'd have few problems taking down anyone here who wasn't a good wrestler in high school/college regardless of size.
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Old 07-21-2008, 02:19 PM   #152
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Good responses all. Most of the responses fit what I expected when I posted the thread. My biggest question is around just how strong a 14 year old is. I don't think comparing him to and adult of the same size makes sense, but it sounds like with his wrestling moves he'd be pretty tough.

As a semi-old dude in OOT terms, teenagers just look so young seems like they'd be easy to take down, like if they tried to mug you or something. Maybe not with this kid.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:01 PM   #153
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I think a lot of it depends upon how much punishment this kid can take. I doubt he's been hit or slamed as hard as a full grown man could do to him. No doubt the kid has superior technique, but if he's too weak to be able to effectively deflect a kick or a punch he's ****ed imo, but I'm no fighter. Am I wrong here? How well could a 14yr old bjj prodigy take a str8 kick to the stomach?
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:03 PM   #154
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Now that I think about it I would pay good money to see average adults fight this kid.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:09 PM   #155
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How well could a 14yr old bjj prodigy take a str8 kick to the stomach?

Since he trains every day with adults and commits probably 1 day a week to sparring said adults, he'd be able to see a str8 kick from any untrained adult from a mile away. Then instead of deflecting it, he'd counter with a foot jab in the abdomen to check the kick and counter with a nice little leg kick to give you a charlie horse, or come at you with a right uppercut, left hook, liver kick to take you out. Another option that he knows would be just a quick side step right cross counter to a single leg where he'd make you use all your strength to power out of his mount. He also has about 100 other options to counter a straight kick coming from a guy who would be slow as hell because they never trained to throw these kicks with any kind of technique.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:11 PM   #156
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

I'm going to say anyone posting in this thread is probably capable of knocking this guy out IF they manage to connect a good punch or two.

Question is how likely is this kid to take someone down and get them into a submit/choke before catching that big punch?

Just a wild guess but the kid wins 70%, and loses 30%.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:13 PM   #157
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Since he trains every day with adults and commits probably 1 day a week to sparring said adults, he'd be able to see a str8 kick from any untrained adult from a mile away. Then instead of deflecting it, he'd counter with a foot jab in the abdomen to check the kick and counter with a nice little leg kick to give you a charlie horse, or come at you with a right uppercut, left hook, liver kick to take you out. Another option that he knows would be just a quick side step right cross counter to a single leg where he'd make you use all your strength to power out of his mount. He also has about 100 other options to counter a straight kick coming from a guy who would be slow as hell because they never trained to throw these kicks with any kind of technique.
I know he probably knows a thousad ways to counter this I'm talking about the luck factor, if his combatent was to get lucky and land a decent shot, can the kid take it brush it off and still remember how to fight? A corney tourney analogy would be does he have enough chips to withstand a bad beat?
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:15 PM   #158
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I'm going to say anyone posting in this thread is probably capable of knocking this guy out IF they manage to connect a good punch or two.

Question is how likely is this kid to take someone down and get them into a submit/choke before catching that big punch?

Just a wild guess but the kid wins 70%, and loses 30%.
This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Even if the kid gets you in his guard on the ground it is likely he will have to take several decent punches/elbows/headbutts to the face before he can submit you. Can a 14yr old withstand that and still keep his wits about him to execute precise bjj moves?
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:27 PM   #159
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Im 6'3", 85kg can and do box and wouldn't really fancy my chances to be honest unless I caught him coming in.

I think I win like 25% of the time.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:19 PM   #160
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

How many 5 year olds would it take to bring this kid down?
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:30 PM   #161
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I know he probably knows a thousad ways to counter this I'm talking about the luck factor, if his combatent was to get lucky and land a decent shot, can the kid take it brush it off and still remember how to fight? A corney tourney analogy would be does he have enough chips to withstand a bad beat?
Fighting is a lot more like chess than it is poker. Unless you have very fast and strong punches and kicks, great feint technique or some other tactic that's capable of landing a good shot against someone with great evasion, you're not going to land anything on this guy, regardless of your size.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:33 PM   #162
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Is the question whether one could just go three rounds, or go three rounds and win?

I think a lot of guys could survive the barrage, but very few would win any kind of decision against any fighter with any training.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:48 PM   #163
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how big is he?

anyway, I have no fighting training but have above average strength/speed for someone my weight. I also have no idea what MMA rules are- but **** rules, I'd give that bastard such a beating he'd leave organized fighting and go back to middle school where he belongs

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Old 07-21-2008, 11:43 PM   #164
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Ok lets do this everyone throw down some $$ to make this happen im in for 200$ im sure if we can get 10k the kid would come down or we can pick a random OOT to fight him.

If this kid wieghs 130 and is Elite 14 yr old he is still going down if you have some exp and weigh like +60 on the kid
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:52 PM   #165
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

6', 210, and i fight knife-wielding turks. i'd say i last three rounds most of the time, possibly even win.

the key thing here is adult strength. that kid is ridiculously ripped for a 14 year old but he is still 14. i remember when i was 19-20 i got like three times as strong without even trying... you fill out a lot in late adolescence / early 20's. if you are smart enough to avoid giving this kid a total gimme submission, a reasonably tough adult male would usually make it through the fight. have to conserve energy though, don't waste a bunch of it chasing after the kid or trying to hit him, unless you are in fighting shape obv.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:09 AM   #166
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how big is he?

anyway, I have no fighting training but have above average strength/speed for someone my weight. I also have no idea what MMA rules are- but **** rules, I'd give that bastard such a beating he'd leave organized fighting and go back to middle school where he belongs



Now, this is a man with a sicknasty poker trophy.


BUT COULD HE TAKE THE 14 YEAR OLD?????


Nah, I say he refuses to tap to an armbar and gets his arm broken.


Returns to a safer sport imo.


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Old 07-22-2008, 05:15 AM   #167
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:11 AM   #168
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Fighting is a lot more like chess than it is poker. Unless you have very fast and strong punches and kicks, great feint technique or some other tactic that's capable of landing a good shot against someone with great evasion, you're not going to land anything on this guy, regardless of your size.

I admit I have no practical experience with mma fighting other than what I've learned from the feared Joe Rogan, I find it hard to believe even an amature has 0% chance of landing one decent strike to this kid. I would think that even somone with some basic grappling knowlege would have a decent chance of manuvering this kid into his guard and from there would have a much greater than zero chance of pounding this kid in the face a couple times. Then it's just a factor of how mentally tough the kid is as to wether he can keep his wits about him enough to still be able to keep fighting.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:04 PM   #169
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

At 6'0" 165 lbs I'm going to give myself a 0% chance. Only been in one fight, and don't have much of a killer instinct so I think it should be easy for him.

Now make the ring 1 mile by 1 mile, and I'm lasting the full 15 minutes.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:17 PM   #170
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Based on the article it sounds like many of you way overestimate his standing skills.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:34 PM   #171
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fwiw here he is grappling a similar sized girl who fights off a triangle for a while. i imagine he was 12 or 13 at this point. his birthday is in march so he just turned 14 a few months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obHFUFbEdbE

here's a report from espn outside the lines. he's featured from the ~4 minute mark until about 1 minute.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...96709&n8pe6c=2

... and some posts from his dad who posts under the ekard1 screen name at txmma.com. these quotes are taken from a thread with discussion about the ESPN report. link to thread

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drake has only 6 matches in mma .... he only trains mma 4 months a yr .... even then he trains mma only 2 days a week ..... and usually with adults ..... ..... he trains other component sports 80% of the time .... he wears boxing gloves .... look at his u tube vids at age 7 yr old ..... u see 16 ox boxing gloves .... think about it .... does drake look like a beat up , ill tempered bully to you ?? lol ..... training mma in the right way IS VERY beneficial for kids .... done the wrong way .... not so much
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mike a ... thanx ..ur dead on .....
lol ..... at football not TEACHING UTTER VIOLENCE TO OUR KIDS ....
lol .... at basketball not TEACHING OUR KIDS HOW TO ONE UP AND SHOW UP UR OPPONENT ,,,( at least where and who i played with )
lol .... at boxing not TEACHING OUR KIDS VIOLENCE ......
lol.... wrestling not TEACHING OUR KIDS VIOLENCE .....
lol .... at video games NOT TEACHING OUR KIDS VIOLENCE .....
LETS SHUT ALL THESE SPORTS DOWN >>>> theyre damaging to our youth either , mentally or physically .....
my 1st conclusion is that i'd be a favorite to beat this kid right now due to my size and strength advantages (plus full beard intimidation factor) despite my minimal knowledge of mma. give him maybe 18-24 months and i probably have no chance as he'll likely put on a solid amount of lean weight, seriously reducing my strength advantage. i can't help but question you 200lb guys who have trained mma/bjj for a while and think this kid can beat you in a fight.

2nd conclusion is the dad is kind of a freak/weird dude.

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Old 07-22-2008, 09:01 PM   #172
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my 1st conclusion is that i'd be a favorite to beat this kid right now due to my size and strength advantages (plus full beard intimidation factor) despite my minimal knowledge of mma. give him maybe 18-24 months and i probably have no chance as he'll likely put on a solid amount of lean weight, seriously reducing my strength advantage. i can't help but question you 200lb guys who have trained mma/bjj for a while and think this kid can beat you in a fight.

Who's more likely to be right?

The people who know what they're talking about or the people who have "minimal knowledge of MMA."
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:09 PM   #173
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fwiw here he is grappling a similar sized girl who fights off a triangle for a while. i imagine he was 12 or 13 at this point. his birthday is in march so he just turned 14 a few months ago.
yeah so here we have a video of a kid who can't submit a 12 year old girl who is mounting basically zero offense... and yet people are saying with a year's growth he could easily submit a grown man who is trying to punch him in the head. lol

also kinda funny that this kid's first sexual experience is like 90% going to be with his head mashed between an armpit and a training bra trying to get some chick to tap out
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rephrase the question like this:

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i said i can't help but question someone who thinks the grown man loses. maybe he does, but i have a friend who semi-fits this description (he's been "training" for more than a year but less than two), and i would put everything i had on him at even odds vs. this kid.

mr. clean - yeah that was my point. i can't help but think people are just overestimating this kid's ability to beat a grown man in a fight...
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

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mr. clean - yeah that was my point. i can't help but think people are just overestimating this kid's ability to beat a grown man in a fight...
This no way he takes adults out
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