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Old 07-18-2008, 08:16 PM   #51
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

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hmm of course I have to think that I could. But in reality how can you be sure? I mean are you talking about the kid specifically or any 14yr old in mma.

If a 14yr old joins a mma gym for a day, yes I can go 3 rounds.

I dont really think that MMA for this kid would be that worse (if any) then football or any other contact sport.
Real life is not a kung fu movie.

I would kill the kid and have no fighting skills
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:18 PM   #52
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His combined record in those sports is 403-63.
That's from the article, so he's not invincible or anything. You guys are making him sound like some sort of demigod but he's had his ass kicked 63 times by people who aren't even older than him! Pah!
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:26 PM   #53
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Just out of HS, my buddy worked with a little-bitty Chinese guy who was supposedly some kind of world master at some martial art. I think he was even proficient in the drunken master style or something. Well dude got drunk at a party and my buddy basically owned him - in a play fight. My buddy's not huge but had maybe 50-60 lbs and 4 inches on him. Both were very drunk. My buddy was mostly goofing around and toying with the guy, who was taking it much more seriously and definitely really trying.

Obviously the little dude could have made all that stuff up about being a master. But for some reason we had reason to believe it (long time ago, details are fuzzy). Anyway the whole point is I remember coming away with the impression that size does matter, and if the gap is big enough completely trumps skill.

So maybe that's where I got this idea I could beat the kid. But I admit you guys have convinced me it would be very tough. I still think I have an ok chance though if I can land something or really come down hard on him early. Plus the all the distracting **** I'd try.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:30 PM   #54
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

can anyone give a brief summary of MMA rules?

someone mentioned him breaking my leg. is this normal? i feel like not too many would compete in a sport where leg breaking is standard.

is it just like wrestling with punches/kicks allowed? wear gloves or any other padding?
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:36 PM   #55
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Butter Bean gets owned a lot: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9pNeqZ8y3yA

He's freaking 396 lbs. in this one.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:41 PM   #56
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i would f'n crush the little puke and **** in his mothers mouth. give me a break. not even a legit question.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:47 PM   #57
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

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The Arturo Gatti video wasn't a good choice, and I said that in the post. The Genki Sudo/Butterbean video has merits, however, and I don't see how you can simply write it off.
i'm not writing it off completely, i just think you are overestimating his advantage. i don't doubt that the kid's skills are good enough to make him a threat to a random person, but his age alone is a huge limiting factor. not just in terms of strength, but in terms of quickness/speed as well. he is 14; his body is just beginning to develop and as a result he has likely to be at a disadvantage in every physical aspect. sudo wasn't as strong as butterbean, but he was considerably faster.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:56 PM   #58
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

HOW MANY 14 YEAR OLDS IMO
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:03 PM   #59
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I found my strategy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzSLt...eature=related

This is pretty sick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWdu...eature=related
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:08 PM   #60
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

ofcourse you can, jesus this guy isnt supernatural or something

if you ever watch k1, heres an example that size DOES matter ALOT his technique is pretty bad, he obv has good stamina, but he ****s people up because hes bigger then everyone, except that japanese giant. all he does is jab, and most cant hit him:



well ok i know schilt gets butchered in mma, so its important to not get thrown on the ground obv
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:10 PM   #61
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

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You guys always say this ****. Do we have one real-world example to back it up?

I'm not saying he couldn't. I'm saying I don't know, but my instincts say I'd have a good chance to take him. Yet I know there are going to be a certain % of MMA fans coming in here falling all over themselves to come up with more and more drastic depictions of what this kid is going to do to me.

I'd just like to see some anecdotal evidence of a skilled fighter vs. someone non-skilled but in-shape who weights 100+ more lbs. in an MMA-style fight or street fight in close quarters.

If we're talking actual reality, I think one of the biggest hurdles might be psychological. He knows how to fight, is prepared for it. I'd have a tough time getting motivated to kick a 14-year-olds ass, and hence would probably kind of tentative, which is death I know. But I'm not sure if we're assuming both fighters are sufficiently motivated here. I guess we could say winner gets $1mil, loser has to live in North Korea for a year. So there's positive and negative motivation on both sides.
Go watch UFC1-4. Royce weighed like 170 officially, but that's maybe in a soaking wet gi. He took out some seriously badass, trained dude who all had a minimum 30 pound weight advantage ans several who were 100 pounds more than him.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:12 PM   #62
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Go watch UFC1-4. Royce weighed like 170 officially, but that's maybe in a soaking wet gi. He took out some seriously badass, trained dude who all had a minimum 30 pound weight advantage ans several who were 100 pounds more than him.
its not a weight issue. its a maturity issue. 14 yr old gets obliterated. and i kill his entire family for sport.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:22 PM   #63
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

btw not bragging but i'm probably the only one so far who may have a legit shot ~Blue belt in BJJ and somewhat not completely awful at boxing/wrestling. Plus 220 pounds. I'd last the distance for sure, although this kid is supposed to be so damn slick on the ground I can't say I'd win. I'm fairly sure i could at least stall him out, tbqh i don't know how he does against grown competition except that he destroys his age in BJJ constantly.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:23 PM   #64
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

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ofcourse you can, jesus this guy isnt supernatural or something

if you ever watch k1, heres an example that size DOES matter ALOT his technique is pretty bad, he obv has good stamina, but he ****s people up because hes bigger then everyone, except that japanese giant. all he does is jab, and most cant hit him:



well ok i know schilt gets butchered in mma, so its important to not get thrown on the ground obv
Dude, WTF. Schilt is an excellent kickboxer. His height isn't the sole reason he's winning fights.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:23 PM   #65
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its not a weight issue. its a maturity issue. 14 yr old gets obliterated. and i kill his entire family for sport.
Yeah, because you are so much more mentally prepared for a fight than the kid that has grown up eating breathing and sleeping. boxing, wrestling, grappling, doing judo MMA and Muay Thai. He dropped out of school for this ****. If anything you probably gas in 4 minutes and get taken down and submitted. Dumbass.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:24 PM   #66
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Danny have you fought anyone who was 150 lbs. or less?
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:26 PM   #67
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I go 6'1" 245 lbs, I gotta think if I land a good shot, pretty much any 14 yr old kid is goin' down.

That being said... what are my chances of landing a good shot?
Not great but not impossible. helps a lot if you have good lateral movement, as that's what is going to get you more than one swing against a good wrestler. If you can't move well, you'll get one giant wind up and then he'll likely duck (assuming it normally misses) and shoot a double leg.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:29 PM   #68
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Danny have you fought anyone who was 150 lbs. or less?
I have been submitted several times by a woman who probably weighed 105-115 pounds. She's a sick nasty brown belt. Like, absolutely sick and nasty and dominant.

That said, with her, the weight is so extreme (110 pound woman) that she'd never get me down because i can sprawl and i would kill her in a fight. Also she's not so much for striking. I could probably GnP her to a win because she has to play open guard from the bottom and i am reasonably good at not getting caught immediately. BJJ does change a lot when you add punches.

the best bet to beat these types is to be mildly proficient at BJJ, not necessarily as good as them but at least ok/decent. Try to get on top and rain punches without leaving an opening for an armbar/triangle/sweep/etc.
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Yeah, because you are so much more mentally prepared for a fight than the kid that has grown up eating breathing and sleeping. boxing, wrestling, grappling, doing judo MMA and Muay Thai. He dropped out of school for this ****. If anything you probably gas in 4 minutes and get taken down and submitted. Dumbass.
nah, angry guy. not really.

but yeah. i take my life experience and strength over a 14yr old punk anyday of the week.

and maybe i squash you like a grape for being a ***** too, just because.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:36 PM   #70
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Christ, "Well, I took 3 weeks of MMA classes!" is the new, "I just finished my first semester of psychology classes at JCC SouthWest Tech State!"
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:36 PM   #71
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

im like a foot taller than him. i win easily.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:44 PM   #72
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nah, angry guy. not really.

but yeah. i take my life experience and strength over a 14yr old punk anyday of the week.

and maybe i squash you like a grape for being a ***** too, just because.
lol, yeah, ok.

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Christ, "Well, I took 3 weeks of MMA classes!" is the new, "I just finished my first semester of psychology classes at JCC SouthWest Tech State!"
I'm not making any claims here about my own ability. I've been doing this for about 1.5 years and i still think the kid beats me in a standard MMA fight a good portion of the time, even with my 90 pounds of weight advantage.

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im like a foot taller than him. i win easily.
Besides, haven't any of you seen Pretty boy floyd take out the Big Show? And we all know that was legit.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:48 PM   #73
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

Probably not relevant but I watched some fights in an underground fight club/MMA league thing in Omaha once. The fighters are pretty local and while its not the top talent it's still an enjoyable experience. One of the fights was a 16 year old kid that was pretty small fighting a 35 year old guy who had maybe 20 pounds on him. Kid was pretty scary good compared to the rest and beat his ass. I'm thinking that size does have some advantages to a point, until skill ultimately overrides any of those advantages (Fedor for example).
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:50 PM   #74
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Out of everything, conditioning is probably the biggest thing most people are overlooking.

He literally can just jump around the ring for 10 minutes and then pick up the pieces once you gas. Most guys on this forum will tire out just from standing tensely in the ring for a round.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:21 PM   #75
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Re: Could you go 3 rounds with a 14yo MMA fighter?

As usual, this kind of thread brings out plenty of internet badasses.

All I can say is, I would LOVE for one of you guys to actually fight this guy and put it on youtube--I'm sure you could get plenty of action in prop bets. But of course you're all big talkers that know you would get destroyed by this guy, and therefore won't do it.

Edit: Talking about the guys with minimal or no training in the martial arts--the ones with some MA training would have some chance against this guy, if they are good.
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