i don't recall any protests in manhattan to open up so that people could get a haircut though

I got a haircut today! Appointment and mask required. I was one of three customers there, with about 10 chairs available.

Latest US vs. European average death graphs.

This was a very good last few days for the European numbers.
A quick detail about the last graph, since it can be a little unclear with the stacked bars:
- New York's 7-day average for deaths is down 82.3% from its peak on April 12
- New Jersey's average is down 47.6% from its peak on April 21
- Massachusetts's average is down 38.6% from its peak on April 29
- The rest of the country's average is down 19.8% from its peak on May 5

I decided to just cut my own hair. Saves the trouble.

You are 100% correct. Personally I've come to ignore his daily drivel.

and I thought it was time to start throwing chicken pox parties for the kids in an attempt to expose as many asap

tbh, though, I cannot get on Nick too much because he has at least been mostly intellectually honest about defending his position. it just happens to be I think he's premature in his conclusions.

That's true, but you need to recognise what a society with R0=1 (and therefore R=0.8) actually looks like - it's nothing like how things looked before.

This is why OOT > Politics and Society forum.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our...-misconception

Given you have a comorbidity, watch out.

Its very fair of you to put the economy in front of your own life though.

Includes flu reference.

Also I saw this:

from here https://esdorchardstorage.blob.core....-CheckList.pdf

So maybe you do have to have worked in 2019. But I don't know and every state is different.

contaminated surfaces downgraded as an infection source

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-coronavir...153317029.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dc/5232748002/

my plan has always been to personally stay isolated as much as I possibly can during this, I still think the economy is taking too big of a blow so healthy people should go back to “normal”

I think there is an equilibrium we can reach that mitigates some death and doesn’t completely destroy the economy (which on the long run is also going to damage and cost lives)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...&sref=gtH5jIdf

'All of which raises a question that has so far been relegated to a small handful of coronavirus contrarians: with all the businesses that are going to fail, and the tens of millions of people who will be unemployed — and the other negative consequences that come with forcing people to stay at home — will the lockdown have been worth it? Or would we have been better off doing something closer to what the country did in 1968 — yes, taking precautions like wearing masks, washing hands and protecting the elderly, but allowing businesses and schools to stay open while people went about their lives?...

As of May 12, the U.S. had 237 deaths per million people. Taiwan, a no-lockdown country, had 0.3 deaths per million. (The country has had a total of seven deaths.)

No-lockdown Sweden has had 347 deaths per million; lockdown Belgium, with a similar population, has had 763 deaths per million. Ethiopia, with a population of 109 million, had no lockdown — and a death rate of 0.04 per million.

“Death rates were more than highly variable; they were all over the place,” Briggs wrote of the data he had collected. “If lockdowns worked as advertised, we would not see such enormous variability in the death rates.'

Not ****ing Sweden again.

Compare Sweden to all the (lockdown) countries you can drive to it from.

Bloodbath in comparison.

Also yea, Im sure we got really accurate reporting and records out of Ethiopia.

This is classic I want to arrive at X so will cherry pick and loop jump till I do.

Sweden DPM:384
Norway DPM:43
Denmark DPM:97
Finland DPM: 55

So Sweden has a higher DPM than all those countries combined. Nearly double. Slow hand clap Sweden.

Also how dumb do you have to be to even type Taiwan had seven deaths assuming you are being intellectually honest and not just trying to bambozle people like Naj.

By doing so you are making the argument by implication that not having a lockdown actually increases survivability.

Here is the reason super ****ing obvious reason Taiwan did not have a lockdown.



You dont just pull a lockdown for shits and giggles.

You do it once the disease has taken root in the population.

If you can stop that happening then congrats you ****ing obviously dont need a lockdown, durrr.

Taiwan has had a total of 441 cases.

They banned all travel from China/Hong Kong in January etc and because of experiences with SARS were able to implement a highly sophisticated track and trace system with any found cases being put into mandatory quarantine (heavy fines prison for breaking). They also made sure mask supply was available for the whole population.

The whole point of Lockdown should be to reduce case numbers to the point you can do a Taiwan. Control borders, sophisticated track, trace and quarantine.

South Korea says hi dere.

How many we want our freedoms no vaccine are going to consent to track and trace in Yanklandia?

gotta love all the Elon Musk bro’s itt


I’ll share this from my brother for Suzzer, et all parents itt.

[QUOTE]
It's getting challenging to distance here. Some of our neighbors have not explained much about the virus to the kids. So while Little Billy is reluctant to stand too close or share objects....The other day Little Billy went out with his mask and instructions not to stand close to the other kids or share objects.... However, the fact is RN Mommy sees sick patients and it is impossible for us to know when we would transmit the virus (if we were to be exposed). Of course, those other families could unknowingly contribute to us or RN Mommy’s patients catching COVID-19.
[/QUOTE ]

If you’re letting you kids play with no protection, then you are not doing it right!


RE: surfaces being pretty insignificant in spreading this virus. I think we kinda knew this all along. How many of you that immediately stuck your Papa Johns in the oven feel silly now?


/edit 1. posting on a phone shouldn’t be this dif in 2020 2. not sure Suzzer has kids. we know he will Suzzer anyhow

A lot of the people who get hit hard have lung damage, some of it the kind that will never fully heal. We just don't know the long term ramifications yet.

I'm not really sure what in any of that was supposed to trigger me.

exactly, +1000. the same conservatives I debate with that say this is all a hoax and we need to open **** up are outraged at the idea of contact tracing in the usa

Its tough to take the "reopen to save the economy" people seriously when they completely ignore the demand side. If you want to save the economy invest in large scale testing and contact tracing, or provide some other plan to make consumers feel safe. Otherwise, it's an unserious opinion on that's unworthy of engagement.

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Muh freedums!

Checking in on the "reopening" of Georgia:

Oh.

The moment any talking head or opinion piece mentions Sweden you can discount them.

The irony is that Norway is now 90% the way as being as open as Sweden and will be in a few days, without all the deaths.

Obviously it has rigorous track, trace isolate in place.

There is a chance. It will generally depend on the circumstances of the job you lost before the temp job. The laws vary widely from state to state. In our state, if you were eligible for benefits under your prior job and took a temp job, they'd set up your benefits based on the prior job and its end date and just consider your benefits suspended for the duration of the temp job.

People may well do this, but they are generally required to inform the state if they get offered their old job back and once that happens they will lose their eligibility. Some states have a reporting process from the employers which would mean they would get caught. False claims of unemployment are technically crimes and you may find yourself in trouble if you do it wrong.

I've decided life is too short to engage with crazy theories. If someone is generally interested in discussion, I'll usually try to engage them in good faith but some opinions are just clear indications that I don't want a conversation with people who hold them.

+1

[x] this guy fawkes

The problem is that new case counts are mostly a crappy metric.

For instance in Virginia the graph looks like this:



However, Virginia's "new cases" are a complete garbage number. Among many problems, they count someone as a "new case" if they have a positive antibody test result, even though that person could have been infected months ago. If you look at deaths or hospitalizations, it paints a different picture. Case counts are also very strongly skewed by test availability.