to point 2:

they are talking about countries like Indonesia and Vietnam where such said consumption is high. you don't have a good point saying those countries have heavily enforced regulations. in fact those countries have the opposite. here you have multiple generations living under one roof and bad medical care. plus very laxxed to non existing regulations. so this point of yours doesn't qualify here.

to point 3:

If you're thinking I haven't thought of this, you are mistaking. the Italians have bad numbers in obesity and overall health and an aging population meaning that the youth is emigrating and the old stay in the country. there are other factors as bad health system and bad economy due to corruption. that said, if you have to many minuses in the equation , one plus is not gonna outweigh this.

agreed to disagree. there are several schools of thought here. and you obviously belong to the one believing this is pseudo science. so we have to agree to disagree.

to point 4:

That is exactly the problem. different schools of thought.

You forgot to address Point 5, the most relevant point he made. JFC dude. Don't you have some politics posters to convince that garlic cures covid?

Politics is for promoting Jeremy Lin being better than Steph Curry.

most politics posters who read all the information posted on this forum and elsewhere are already aware of this.


the consensus is shifting away from an all pharmaceutical approach to a preventative approach, and that inculdes also diets and anti oxidants, of course which are found esp. in foods like garlic. what do you think I am doing here? telling you rubbish? as much as you try to ridicule the effectiveness of garlic and other herbal properties of certain foods, this might be very well part of an overall preventative approach. which you see in the consensus shifting towards to, every day, more and more. the days of relying on chemicals only are over. read some news.

but I'm getting it, you refuse to see the light at the end of the tunnel now and want to rely on the chemical hammer. which is now getting more and more questioned btw, from leading health experts. that wasn't the perfect line. I'm afraid that's not how nature works. but you are not in the minority in thinking it is. so I'm not even blaming you. I'm only blaming you for attacking me.

I'll resign from this thread now. I should have known you are not ready for new information yet, although it is literally all over the news. (not necessarily garlic, not in the West yet, but the overall meaning of a healthy diet, and the importance of preventing bad outcomes through active engagement in preventative methods.)

Thank you!

Noone goes back on that sort of proclamation around here.

So when you said,

what you meant to say is that you've read some articles that cite the claims of one study that you haven't even read?

Does the study in question use the word "antioxidant" or the words "anti oxidant?"

im getting mine on monday

winter is coming

Probably because they’ve done such a **** job of announcing it.

Got mine two weeks ago as soon as it was available. But, that’s only because we’ve been on top of it. Tried to get it even earlier, but they turned us away for being too young.

I need to wait a few more weeks due to having COVID this summer, but I'll be rolling up a sleeve before Thanksgiving.

same boat, had COVID in August + antibodies shot so that pushes me out to mid Nov

I had COVID in early June but want the latest booster soon. Am I safe to get it?

I've only had one booster and that was last November, if that matters.

What I've read is at least three months after you had COVID. Your previous booster is fine. My latest booster was March; COVID in July; planning to get the new booster at the end of Oct or first of Nov.

I think you're good whenever you are ready. I am not a physician.

Getting the boost next Monday. Feels like this is going to continue every Apr/Oct. Hopefully I'll avoid the Feb (re-)infestation going forward.

That sounds like Holiday Inn Express level knowledge. I'll take it and schedule before the end of the month. Have to get a flu shot for work so I'll get them done at the same time like I did last November.

I am officially OUT of the Never Had Covid Club. On vacation and out of town for gma's 102yo birthday party yesterday, test positive this morning. Hopefully I wasn't a SuperSpreader guy yesterday. Not too bad so far, unfortunately haven't gotten the bivalent booster yet. Here we go...

Also hoping I'm testing neg by Thursday when I'm supposed to fly home.

ugh! You had a good run. I hope none of the old folks at the party came down with it.

Boosted this morning with the Pfizer version.

For the record, that's OG Pfizer, Pfizer, Moderna, Moderna boosts, and now Pfizer. I can throw in a mild case of Covid-19 between the Moderna boosts.

Slight headache now (5 hrs in). I'll report any other symptoms if they occur.

Also got the 2022-2023 flu shot in the other arm (same as the original Moderna boost, no issues then)

Goddamn that’s a lot of shots. Are you immune compromised?

Got some underlying medical conditions and am oldish. Hoping to live a lot longer, though.

Picking up a Paxlovid scrip tomorrow. Anyone have any experience with that, good or bad? Seems like kinda a no lose situation.

*raises hand*

You need to start it ASAP. It has a bitter taste and leaves a bitter taste in your mouth until you finish the blister pack--five days IIRC. I've read it described as like gargling old pennies, which is about right. I've no idea if it prevented worse symptoms in me, but I do not regret taking it at all. I would do it again.

I started it the same day I first had symptoms and tested positive in mid-July. Obviously Omicron but not confirmed by any testing. I felt like crap for the first three days, then the COVID symptoms subsided fairly rapidly. I got my smell and taste back before I finished all my Paxlovid. My wife didn't take it and hers still have not fully returned. (Maybe just variance obviously.) By the time I finished my Paxlovid, I felt pretty good. Got out and cut the grass soon after and was feeling pretty sporty. A few days after that I tested positive again despite having no other contacts. Paxlovid rebound--which I think is much more common than widely reported. Got by on Tylenol and ibuprofen but really never felt as bad as when I initially tested positive. After my second positive test I never really felt bad; I just didn't care about anything and didn't want to do anything. I could have done anything I wanted to--I just didn't want to. That lasted about three weeks.

My biggest fear since the beginning of the pandemic was not death but having to be put on a ventilator. Those are the things that Paxlovid is meant to prevent. Not sure if it was necessary for me or not, but I'm glad I took it. It may well have shortened or lessened my initial symptoms, but there is no way to know for sure. I'd take it again despite the crappy taste in my mouth for five days.

Let me know if I can answer any more about my experience. Good luck!

Thanks Tom. My first symptoms were yesterday, emailed with my doc today, picking it up tomorrow, so I should be in the window to start. I feel decent, but still want to be doing anything I can "just in case". Fever holding steady at 99.6 all day long today. Stopped taking advil as I read that maybe suppressing the fever isn't optimal, just like they were saying about the vax fever.

I don't recall how high my temp got, but I'm sure I never broke 100. My temp generally runs about 97.4* though. I was reluctant to take antipyretics as well, but I did cheat a few times the first few days when headaches and body aches were an issue. My appetite was also generally way down the first few days when I lost smell and taste. It picked up a little after that, but didn't return to normal until about a month later.

I'm sure I wrote down the dates of my positive tests and the negative test in between somewhere. If you're interested enough in that--or get interested in it after you start the Paxlovid--let me know and I'll track down the timeframe for you.