Yeah I missed them, and yes apparently 15 states aren’t reporting this including Florida and Texas.

Seems like a compelling reason to get vaccinated.

Anyone who believes these numbers should be disqualified from discussing Covid and the vaccines. Completely untethered to reality

Texas and Florida make up 40% of New cases. Some more fake numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...spitalizations

Why do you say that? Do you have a better source?

Don't encourage him to post more.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html
It's likely just due to the difference in reporting a positive case based on vaccination status, which started in May. They're going out of their way to not find positive cases in vaccinated people, while also administering as many tests as possible on unvaccinated people.

This is evident not only from the CDC's statement, but also just from observing rules at workplaces regarding testing requirements for unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

These numbers are so many standard deviations different from every other country that there's a 0% chance they're factual.

At best it's manipulation of data, at worst it's outright lies

The mental gymnastics required at this point to still be a vaxx denier. Is Shuffles still posting anti-vaxx nonsense or has he moved onto arguing that this was made in the Wuhan lab?

The worst part about the current state of affairs(in USA, but also elsewhere) is that any and all information, no matter the source or the accuracy, can just be hand-waved away with a simple 'FAKE NEWS' and that's that. Actual truth no longer means anything.

It's all so tiresome.

"Just look it up!"

What are we doing wrong in AZ?

Because logic dictates these numbers are misleading. If the vaccine is 80% effective and most states are ~50% vaccinated. Then you should be looking at what?

~85-90% of cases in unvaccinated?

You're treating this as if it were a study where the proportion of vaxxed and unvaxxed people are controlled for, and everyone is tested whether symptomatic or not.

Think about the denominator in the chart I posted - it's everyone who tested positive in the state:

• First, it will have anyone who is sick enough to get tested at the hospital (which will be 95%+ unvaxxed).
• Second, you will have some of the symptomatic infections, since not all get tested.
• And finally you'll get very few of the asymptomatic infections, since those rarely get tested.

So when 100% of really sick people get tested, and very few asymptomaic breakthrough infections get tested, and vaxxed people tend to have milder symptoms and stay out of the hospital - then yeah of course the % of unvaxxed who test positive is going to be super high.

And even if it was 85-90% - does that change anything wrt to the big picture? vaxx-deniers like ADP always want to nibble around a few % points and then go "Aha! Some number is slightly off (which again is far from certain). Therefore everything else can be thrown out, and I can believe whatever I want!"

More data to handwave away.

Don't fret. They're up to the challenge.

I assume due to the older population akin to FLA? I'd guess unhealthy states would also have higher numbers. Could be some other weird environmental factors that no one will ever figure out at play too? (water air heat etc)

The mind numbing irony and the basic meme status of this type comment that follows 95% of all denier posts represents a level of cognitive dissonance that doesn't seem to leave any middle ground, at all. Living in Canada these people are rare. Dealing with them on a day to day basis would leave me to close to postal. I'd probably just keep speaking my mind, until I got punched, of course. lol.


I just looked up cognitive dissonance to make sure my understanding/usage was correct. It could have been 40 years of incorrect usage but this was the 3rd link from google. ha (great read)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ndemic/614074/

Of course it's always good to have proper studies, but I feel we knew this from the first wave reports from NYC paramedics going house-to-house on double/triple shifts attending "cause of death: cardiac arrest" over and again.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...21.710010/full

Interesting - a recent polio vaccination may help against covid.

In real life you’re not running into these people and if you do they’re not spewing this nonsense at at the bar or work break room.

Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd's latest COVID drug, finds 'no effect whatsoever'

Cases and hospitalizations spiking in Oregon, a (relatively) highly-vaccinated state. Not sure what percentage of the hospitalized were vaccinated.

I think we can say pretty confidently that a)the vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalization and death, but b)they are not as effective at preventing Delta, especially 6+months post-vaccine.

Which means the CDC and FDA need to move on boosters for all elderly people, not just the immunocompromised. The vaccinated elderly, especially those who got vaxxed back in Jan/Feb, are still at risk from Delta.

Eastern Oregon, and some of the exurbs of Portland are crazy right-wing. I wouldn't be surprised to find out they're driving the hospital surge.

Eastern, Southern, and parts of Central Oregon are Trump Country. A lot of qderps are getting on school boards in those areas.


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I have no idea what to make of this from a statistical perspective, but doesn't it seem weird to have a sea of articles based on a study that isn't even in pre-print saying ivermectin has "no effect" when that isn't even what the little data they did release says?

Also, the same group that did that trial tweeted this article out: https://nationalpost.com/health/inex...ed-trial-finds

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