This behavior, is not rational, even from a purely selfish perspective. I got Covid despite following the consensus medical advice re masks, gatherings, etc. I wasn't hospitalized, but I was quite sick for a few weeks, sick enough that I would rather have gotten a vaccination shot in the eyeball than get Covid again.

And I'm certain I would feel that way even if I were the type of person who cared only about himself.

I can't imagine that most who aren't getting vaccinated are doing it purely out of laziness. I have to think that most have some combination of believing COVID is a hoax and/or thinking vaccines are much more dangerous than what they prevent.

It's ridiculous and awful behavior, but I don't think it's incomprehensible.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic though. Maybe they really are deliberately risking life and limb to own the libs.

Have you asked these morans what their rationale is for not getting vaccinated?

I can understand younger people not getting vaccinated. In addition to the idea that the consequences to the young are small, I've also seen reports indicating that young people are unlikely to spread the disease. If the science proves out that way, I can understand not getting a jab. But in your case, I highly doubt that a F100 company has hired 5 15-20 year olds in your office, so yeah, morans.

I also don't understand why J&J can't be given to men, seeing as all of the blood clot issues are with women 18-48.

And for those with anxiety, although misguided, it could also stem from: first, do no harm.

It's not necessarily thinking that vaccines on the whole are much more dangerous than what they prevent. This scenario and the events that preceded it ("lol don't wear masks") are unique.

Second Pfizer jab (dose dos? How come I've never heard this before?) received ~0800 MST 4/14. I expect bad things over the next 24-36 hours, but I also expect it to be well worth it.

I have some friends/family refusing to get it. Their rationale is basically "govt/corps are practically forcing everyone to get it, well F them not me, FREEDUMB!!!". I'm not sure which is worse - that a part of me wishes bad things on them, or that I don't feel bad about it.

Several weeks ago, I asked Luckbox whether he thought the rationale you describe above is morally defensible. He said it was.

I feel better just wishing them to get hit by a bus instead of getting bad covid. Moral dilemma resolved.

My brother got a flu-like fever, for just one day, after his first Ox AZ jab. All I got from my first Pfizer jab was a sore arm for a couple of days. Went for my second Pfizer shot last week and the doctor told me you more often get the fever reaction after the first AZ jab, but with the Pfizer jab it's more likely after the second time. In fact, though, I got nothing this time, not even a sore arm.

I had my first pfizer shot Monday mid-day. I had a mild headache as I went to bed. Only a sore arm Tuesday but fine today. Hopefully the second won't be bad either.

Overblown is something you can believe, that's subjective. Coincidence is not possible. Blood clots accompanied by extremely low platelet counts is just not something that happens and it causes the normal treatment to be dangerous. This may turn to be extremely rare and it may turn out to require other compounding factors like birth control as Howard suggested, but it isn't a coincidence.

Our firm* has handled a number of cases where employees were required to get the flu shot in order to keep their job and had a medical reason not to get the vaccine and we successfully protected their job using the ADA. We have already had one case where a nurse was being threatened with termination because she could not get the COVID vax and it was resolved via phone call to their counsel. It is quite clear that in general if you have a medical reason not to get the shot, you will be protected by the ADA with regard to your employment.

In terms of public accommodations (the rule that requires handicap ramps and so on at public businesses), it is less clear. We don't do those kind of cases, but the ADA provides:
which may permit a refusal to accommodate unvaccinated customers access to public spaces, especially crowded facilities. Its not black and white and probably will generate a lot of billable hours for someone to figure out.

* To be clear, I'm not a lawyer. I married one and work at her practice as part of my retirement. I'm no kind of expert.

Useful post. Thank you.

golfnutt must already be all over this kind of stuff.

Can it be a bus carrying people to get vaccinated, please?

Absolutely.

Within 5 hours (give or take) of my Pfirst dose, I had a headache, slightly upset stomach (may have been the fast food I had in line in my car) and a sore neck (this was definitely an immunological reaction in my mind, I've felt it before) like if I turn my head too fast, I feel it. By the next morning, it was only a sore arm, and a sore left leg (clutch leg) from moving a car-length at a time forward for 2+ hours.

Today, now 6 hours from exposure to the vaccine, I'm feeling mostly fine. I can feel something going on (maybe). Def starting to feel a little run down. Also, in and out in under an hour, with much less clutch action.

I'll update if symptoms develop more fully, and I have the strength to post.

Vaccination Support Animals - They get it so you don't have to.

Like ray-ee-ain on your wedding day...

From today's LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ates-among-men

You may need to read it in incognito mode.

Of LA county men, 30% want the vaccine. And it's not a bunch of conservatives. For black men it's 19%. For hispanic men it's only 17%.

Yet again, proof that women are smarter than men.

You just mentioned a car accident in the same sentence as Covid. You must be a dullard idiot or an imbecile.

Absolutely.

So, I guess Rococo read “don’t take it personally” as some sort of challenge to take it as personally as possible.

Sure hope those "100% won't get it" guys are in better shape than Jayson Tatum.

Those are the percentages of each group that have received at least one dose of the vaccine and may or may not reflect the percentages who "want" it.

Someone needs to fund a detailed study of how many of them fall into the category of "my wife made me do it" though.

I had a mild fever and sore arm for less than a day after the first dose.

Me too, nothing on the second. Maybe we got a placebo.