Please post good articles on why creating a vaccine takes a year+, why it might take longer with Covid-19 etc.

Not presently 41 US deaths, site shows 54 but I thought I just saw 57 on news.

I agree; this is the risk. But we need to intelligently trade risks here rather than assume that our usual vaccine paradigms are correct.

Part of the issue is that vaccines need to be tested in very large clinical trials designed to test it against different demographics -- old, young, pregnant, other conditions, other meds, gender, etc. In theory I agree that's wise, and in a perfect world we would do that. But if the alternative is to lose 1 per cent of our population, then we need to seriously rethink that requirement.

my understanding is that testing efficacy is not so time-consuming; testing safety is. I looked for summary articles on this yesterday but didn't find anything really all that useful.

You were at boarding school. I presume they had what the experts call "employees" at this school. Hardly the same as you watching yourself completely unattended for a full workday, even if they have you and your schoolmates some amount of privacy.

It's lower than 2%....we can safely say that........but infection rate is all over the place.

Yeah, there was somebody to contact in an emergency. We didn't have what the experts call "mobile phones" back then though, so you actually had to go and find them. Unlike now where you can just dial up your parents in 3 seconds flat...

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I'm not yet convinced on the mortality rate either way. Korea is under 1 per cent still but Italy is 7 per cent or so. some of this difference doubtless relates to the face that Italy is demographically older than Korea and Italian hospitals are apparently triaging in favor of the young. But I'd be surprised if the mortality rate is below 2 per cent in places where the health system is overwhelmed.

I'm intrigued how countries might take advantage of this militarily. I'm sure Russia is scheming methods to further invade and infiltrate Ukraine.

PSA for aspiring comedians: You can start your routine w/ 'So I walked into Walgreens and asked for a thermometer............'

If the laugh I got is any indication you will be a hit.

Now I'm about 50% certain I've had covid-19 twice this winter. I've had cold/flu like systoms for 4 weeks now. Only this week it is clearing up. But had fevers and congestion and coughing for like 3 weeks straight. Had the same thing in January but even worse, and itlasted a month. Extreme congestion, headaches, hard to breath (I play trumpet and couldn't even blow air through for weeks). I've never had a cold for longer than 2 weeks before this, and only remember getting the flu once before in my life. Same with wife been sick last month, and kids off and on for last 2 months. I haven't been to the office in 3 weeks, and thankfully my work recommended everyone wfh last week.

Congestion is a rare symptom of covid-19.

Seems unlikely

I bet they fell to the floor when you asked for toilet paper.

I was at the local store the other day. Carts were loaded to the max with paper towels.

Walmart grocery delivery is backed up until Monday, usually can get within 4 or 5 if needed. But got an order in, will see how much of it is in stock when they collect the order on Monday.

Amazon Fresh showed only Tuesday delivery and put an order in but when I submit all delivery spots were taken. It's crazy.

Just spoke with my Dad. He is in his early 70s. They are the ones who just got back from the cruise.

He had asked me about wipes because they were out and hadnt found any in any stores, so I told him we had extras from months ago for when they ran out so they could stop going to stores.

My Mom had been to like 5 stores between Thurs and Fri. He went to a few stores today and also the library. They go to so many stores so they can get all the specials, cheese at this store, potatoes at this one, etc. I told him that maybe they could consolidate their shopping and make fewer trips out. He didnt understand why.

I also asked if they would be refraining from going to church. He said no, he was ushering tomorrow. But don't worry because they werent expecting too many, only a couple hundred.

He told me they wouldnt stop living their life. I told him that they literally would stop living if they kept it up. He didnt agree and said it is overhyped and everyone is dying is older and has other medical issues. I didnt point out that they are both in their 70s.

Sigh. My wife wanted me to call because we were hoping they would babysit one of the kids one day so we could get some work done. That is probably not happening now.

Why isn't Obama stepping up in a time of national crisis? You're an ex-president, act like it.

Finally got through yesterday for a delivery tonight. None of the fresh produce on my list was in stock. Ended up with strawberries, avocados and two bags of snap peas. Somebody thought jalapeno mac & cheese was a suitable replacement for cauliflower. Hopeful they get re-stocked and stuff dies down when everyone has what they need mid-week.

we're only in the very beginning of the pandemic

so far only 1 country was overwhelmed by the virus and the death rate there is way over 2%

we also don't have a long-term outlook for the 20% who need ICU and eventually recover from the virus

if an otherwise healthy 60-year old man develops severe COPD and dies from subsequent pneumonia complications 2 years later should we count it as COVID death or something else?

That's a pretty generous upgrade.

I thought it would be funny to high five people in the front row and then say I just flew in from Wuhan. That joke lasted about a month.

Me, my coworkers and tons of people I know got something similar. It lasts about 3-4 weeks. Although in most cases it started kind of mild then kicked into high gear with endless coughing at night and some coughing fits in the day. I heard a radio DJ describe it exactly and say his Dr. told him he had the croup.

Whatever it was there was definitely a weird cough going around. I got it in Vegas of course.

Good thread on the latest state of research and possible treatments.

This could be coming to any town USA soon.