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03-14-2020 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
Called the in-laws today(both 70+, one with comorbidity, one laid up with an injury) to ask if they were taking the coronavirus serious. "Not really...(grandma)'s sister is here visiting right now with her nieces and nephews..."

Alllllrightythen.


Also just heard a guy on the radio during a call-in say he just got back from Spain:

"...and so I get back and I am told to quarantine so that is what I am doing."

and then immediately follows that up with "I am walking my dog right now around the neighborhood. I am by myself though..." and the radio guy says "Well good luck to you, and thank you for doing the right thing."

and I really want to violently shake every person in both of those stories. Our country is ****ed if this is the thinking of even half the people, but it seems like way more than half atm. Lotta people gonna die.
Clear forceful messaging from our leadership would really really help on this. At least it seems to be headed in the right direction and starting to pierce through to the masses.
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03-14-2020 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
just left for my brother-in-law's parent's house in Martha's Vineyard.
A lot of people are doing this. Lots of NY & NJ plates reported. They have every right to too, but they are going to throw off the off-season equilibrium, and it will take almost nothing to overload MV medical capabilities.
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03-14-2020 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cardsharkk04
My parents, both 65 have travel plans at the end of the month, no plans of cancelling. No plans to stop going to restaurants or the gym. Their general attitude is well, what am I supposed to do, stop living my life? And this seems to be the common sentiment of their boomer friends as well. And apparently their gym is still packed with old people.
Who are very likely going to be fighting over the available respirators in a month and freaking out.
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03-14-2020 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
For how long? How many days in a row?

A full workday. Not overnight, although we would leave them overnight when the older one was 11 and the younger one 9.
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03-14-2020 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Def fkd. My folks live in a golf community ... there's a big dinner at the clubhouse tonight with ~60 ppl expected (not including wait staff) ... my folks not even considering not attending.
My sister's MIL's timeline a week ago was all about media panic and just turn off the TV. This week her only post is someone tested positive at her church in FL.
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03-14-2020 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
If you lived in Manhattan with no real requirements for being there in the short term, would you GTFO ASAP if you had the opportunity to drive to Maine?
100 Mile Wilderness sounds like a good place to hole up for a year or so - finally work on that novel.
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03-14-2020 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
we permitted our kids to be home alone when the older daughter was 8 and the younger one six. that went just fine.
I walked to school by myself as young as 1st grade and full time from 2nd grade on. Had to cross a busy 4 lane road at rush hour in Kindergarten. My grandpa was supposed to help me where I would meet up with other kids. But he was a drunk and sometimes the other kids weren't there.

In 4th grade I was taking the KC Metro bus system across the city to go to school - which is actually pretty safe if you just sit by the driver. But transferring buses downtown was a little dicey. The school saw me waiting at the regular bus stop one day and shut it down.
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03-14-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
No idea, but I'd be pretty careful about any sorts of extreme diets / fasting etc right now simply because you probably don't want to put your body under any extra stress.
Might not be a option soon
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03-14-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
If you lived in Manhattan with no real requirements for being there in the short term, would you GTFO ASAP if you had the opportunity to drive to Maine?
most retirees/semi retiree Hamptons types I work with either already GTFO and hunkered down in their country houses or are planning to do it with quickness
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03-14-2020 , 04:49 PM
Walking a dog alone seems fine. If not, then we’re about to be in. B-Hollywood movie soon.
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03-14-2020 , 04:50 PM
I'm not flying anywhere for the forseeable future. I'd rather drive 3000 miles.

I've read a number of things - including this very smart guy - which suggest there are conditions (like summer weather) where the virus could just be living in you mostly dormant - until new conditions arise.

I've always chewed my nails and cuticles until a month ago - but I almost never get sick. When I do it's almost always after I fly, or when I'm really stressed. I'm convinced I have things hanging around in me all the time just waiting for my immune system to weaken from stress - or an airplane ride to basically take a plunger to my sinuses and stir everything up.
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03-14-2020 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
A lot of people are doing this. Lots of NY & NJ plates reported. They have every right to too, but they are going to throw off the off-season equilibrium, and it will take almost nothing to overload MV medical capabilities.
I would think all true. FWIW they're staying on the island for a week and returning to NYC if it isn't locked down (and if it is my bro-in-law's parent's place in Conn.).
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03-14-2020 , 05:03 PM
Some really good, scary information in this article.

Notes from a Convening of Experts - March 10th


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BioHub Panel on COVID-19

Panelists


Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic.

Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics

Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist.

Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist.

Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc


Top takeaways

At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US.

Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.

How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.

We are moving from containment to care.

We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.
40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.

[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]

The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.

This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.

The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]

Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did

I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.

What should we do now? What are you doing for your family?
Appears one can be infectious before being symptomatic. We don’t know how infectious before symptomatic, but know that highest level of virus prevalence coincides with symptoms. We currently think folks are infectious 2 days before through 14 days after onset of symptoms (T-2 to T+14 onset).

How long does the virus last?

On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this

The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based.

Avoid concerts, movies, crowded places.

Cancel all business travel.

Do the basic hygiene, e.g., hand washing and avoiding touching face.

Stockpile your critical prescription medications. Many pharma supply chains run through China. Pharma companies usually hold 2-3 months of raw materials, so may run out given the disruption in China’s manufacturing.

Pneumonia shot might be helpful. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.

Get a flu shot next fall. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.

We would say “Anyone over 60 stay at home unless it’s critical”. CDC toyed with idea of saying anyone over 60 not travel on commercial airlines.

Move “at-risk” parents back from nursing homes, etc. to their own homes. Then are not letting them out of the house. The other members of the family are washing hands the moment they come in.

Three routes of infection

Hand to mouth / face
Aerosol transmission
Fecal oral route
There's more in the article.

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03-14-2020 , 05:18 PM
Can someone explain how China has 3,189 deaths and the number of officially confirmed new cases is almost zero, yet the U.S with 1/3 of the population is forecast to end up at five hundred times that number?
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03-14-2020 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I walked to school by myself as young as 1st grade and full time from 2nd grade on. Had to cross a busy 4 lane road at rush hour in Kindergarten. My grandpa was supposed to help me where I would meet up with other kids. But he was a drunk and sometimes the other kids weren't there.



In 4th grade I was taking the KC Metro bus system across the city to go to school - which is actually pretty safe if you just sit by the driver. But transferring buses downtown was a little dicey. The school saw me waiting at the regular bus stop one day and shut it down.

I spent summers at our place in Vermont -- 75 acres or so, about two miles outside of town. i was allowed to bike into town on my own in 1973, the year i turned 10, but had to walk my bike across the somewhat busy road through town to get to the general store. I was expected to be home every day by 630 for dinner, but i often had total free reign all day -- including going up to the pond to swim with my brother or a friend.

That was a different time. We routinely picked up hitchhikers, and I hitched a few times myself in 78, 79 and 80 when i had a job in a town seven miles away not not always an easy way to get there.

i'm largely a free range parent, but our daughters are 20 and 18 now so the subject is largely moot. Older daughter is flying back from LA in a few hours and we are going on total lockdown for two weeks. one person will go out shopping every couple of days and we'll walk the dogs without coming within fifteen feet of anyone else. younger daughter is a senior in high school and i told her to read the medium.com piece. she worked out some of the math and is wholly on board with a complete lockdown.

some of her friends were bitching about not having a senior prom and she called them out for it. she totally understands that it's less about us getting it than it is about behaving in a way that benefits society as a whole. not all of us conservatives are selfish pricks, suzz.
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03-14-2020 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Can someone explain how China has 3,189 deaths and the number of officially confirmed new cases is almost zero, yet the U.S with 1/3 of the population is forecast to end up at five hundred times that number?
They actually took measures to stop it, extreme measures compared to us.
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03-14-2020 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Some really good, scary information in this article.

Notes from a Convening of Experts - March 10th




There's more in the article.

suzz two days ago called, they want their multiple posts back.
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03-14-2020 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
This seems not very promising for us in the land of the free:
for partygirluk
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03-14-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Can someone explain how China has 3,189 deaths and the number of officially confirmed new cases is almost zero, yet the U.S with 1/3 of the population is forecast to end up at five hundred times that number?
They lie
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03-14-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
So finally have some time to scan this thread - it turns out I'm learning a simulation software package that uses agent based models (ABM) to model things dependent on people's behavior like disease spread, which are called SIR models. I have a parameter that represents the number of people a person contacts in a time period, and the probability that a person transmits disease to a contacted person. Does anyone know if the product of these 2 factors is considered R0 (R naught)? I don't think it is as R0 looks like a higher magnitude. Just wondering the relation between these variables.
Have a read of this:

https://triplebyte.com/blog/modeling...tious-diseases

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β, the transmission rate—the product of the rate of contact and the probability of transmission given contact
Juk

Edit: Sorry, didn't see your question had already been answered and the same link given...

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03-14-2020 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ntanygd760
They actually took measures to stop it, extreme measures compared to us.
I suspect the 1.5m figure depends upon no changes to behaviour.

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The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
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03-14-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
we permitted our kids to be home alone when the older daughter was 8 and the younger one six. that went just fine.
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Originally Posted by Didace
For how long? How many days in a row?
Several years. MLY is a Treesong, it's all coming together now.
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03-14-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
My question is basically this: Are there any products out there or some DIY stuff that could help a little bit there? Yes, I realize you can't use an asthma inhaler and have it work like an ICU oxygen tank. But is there something that could maybe have the tiniest of effects here? Like let's say patient x has serious issues breathing because of COVID19-related pneumonia or whatever but doesn't have access to ICU, is there an invention in the world that could help a bit?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator

Pretty hard to get one in the UK now though - all the ones on Amazon/eBay are from China, and the ones from actual UK companies have all sold out.

Juk

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03-14-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Some really good, scary information in this article.

Notes from a Convening of Experts - March 10th




There's more in the article.
There seems to be quite a bit of skepticism in the comments that this is legitimate, which would be good news.

More optimistically, it seems New York has around 500 infected, but has only reported one death (an 80+ year-old with emphysema), while New Jersey is reporting around 70 with one (50s with prior complications), possibly two deaths (they aren't sure if the second is related or not).
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03-14-2020 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Can someone explain how China has 3,189 deaths and the number of officially confirmed new cases is almost zero, yet the U.S with 1/3 of the population is forecast to end up at five hundred times that number?
They've been confined to their homes, with drones patroling the streets, since January 25th. Food is delivered to homes.
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