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Originally Posted by JoeC2012
A correct rank order of activities from risky to not risky is incredibly useful for society -- insane to think otherwise.
Not if it leads said society to make bad decisions. On a society-wide basis the trouble with such a list is that at times like these it leads governments to pick a cut off point and ban everything riskier than a certain level, rather than do some proper risk vs. reward analysis, as an individual hopefully would. Then we end up with ridiculous situations where the restrictions on having the one single wedding of your life and inviting people to it are more or less the same as the restrictions on inviting people to go on the forty-seventh pub crawl of your life (the example is obviously jurisdiction and time specific, there will also be places and times where this is being got right).
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I worry about when it gets cold, especially if you're in a cold/dry place like Denver. Studies show the virus breaks down much more quickly in the presence of water vapor (absolute humidity).
Air at 80 degrees can hold something like 4x as much water vapor as air at 20 degrees - at the same relative humidity.
What about a situation where the air is 105-120 degrees (most saunas say it's between 40 and 50 in Celsius) and the humidity is 100 percent? How soon would that kill it? Was in the steam room at the sauna again and there were a few more people than last time. The place actually says they keep the temperature in the steam sauna "under 75 degrees celsius", but that's way more than any other place says it is, so I'm assuming it's a long way under 75 degrees.
There is always the dry sauna, which people say is 100 degrees C (212 F) and less than 5 percent humidity.
Which of those do we think the virus would survive shortest in and/or stay suspended/aerosolized shortest in (and are we talking seconds, minutes or hours)?
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Only 41 dead out of 5.5 million? You can do better! With a USA #1 death rate you would have 3400 dead! USA, USA, USA
Well there's still time to catch up. Without a vaccine I still think it will get through almost everyone in the end, so we'll see how well the health system can actually do at saving people once they get it. Generally people aren't willing to go for a second lockdown almost no matter what - just school by school, company by company as outbreaks occur.
They beat it before but then it just came back because they didn't keep the borders closed - because Bratislava is right on the border and all the decision makers have wives and mistresses who want to go shopping in Vienna, kids who want to go on holiday to the med and a load of friends who've bought cheap second homes across the border in the villages of Hungary and Austria.
But yes, if you turn the numbers around if the USA had the death rate of Slovakia #154 (current deaths per million ranking) then it would have more than 200000 fewer deaths. Politics is a game played for massive stakes.
I would add to that though that outside of epidemiology, a country like the USA or UK has other advantages from having a citizenry that is about as easy to herd as cats.