i made a post around a year ago itt asking if these companies were collaborating. totally naive of me. to make the best possible product. it tilts me that (so far) one of the vaccines is much better. but that was pretty obvious with my (errant) post.

Define better? One is certainly marketed better

after 120 days of being jabbed, team pfizer drops around 20 percentage points to be infected (iirc), while moderna drops only 1%.

What if the collaboration came up with the inferior product?

i got my JnJ shot 6 months ago. im thinking of getting a second

according to JnJ research protection goes up from like 75% to 95% with a second shot... iirc

but their research hasn't been reviewed.

Dont think anyone has had the moderna in the UK, or at least very few, in the UK its a hipster vaccine.

I stole your Facebook University reference. Thanks!

I can't see that as a possibility. In what vein has this ever happened?

I mean it's possible an even better vaccine could have been manufactured, but I just can't imagine being tilted at what we've gotten in that regard. We're super lucky to have vaccines this good, and at the speed we got them.

I will speculate that getting one shot from one and one from the other will eventually be proven to be more effective than two shots of either one.

Please think before you post. I know it's hard.

If I thought before posting then I'd be in the wrong place
Also why quote a question if you don't have an answer. Please think before quoting

Everything ever designed by a committee?

A pandemic (from Greek πᾶν, pan, "all" and δῆμος, demos, "local people" the 'crowd') is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people. A widespread endemic disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic. Widespread endemic diseases with a stable number of infected people such as recurrences of seasonal influenza are generally excluded as they occur simultaneously in large regions of the globe rather than being spread worldwide.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

An epidemic (from Greek ἐπί epi "upon or above" and δῆμος demos "people") is the rapid spread of disease to a large number of people in a given population within a short period of time. For example, in meningococcal infections, an attack rate in excess of 15 cases per 100,000 people for two consecutive weeks is considered an epidemic.[1][2]

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic

not sure what this has to do with collaborating biotech companies.

a room full of average people might not have a chance to succeed. a different comparison might be 2 of the best poker players sharing their notes and exploits, and then both becoming worse. it doesn't ever play out this way imo.

Thinking more on HT's point, it might be that a universal vaccine causing terribad viral mutations is potentially riskier than having different jabs available.

“So co-worker how was the weekend, do anything fun?”

“I took back the food court!”

The only court to rule in Trump's favor.

That's a big hit to the rep.

Prediction =0.10 years.
Outcome =2.2 years.


Covid has wiped out years of progress on life expectancy, finds study

The biggest declines in life expectancy were among males in the US, with a decline of 2.2 years relative to 2019 levels,

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...cy-finds-study

This is an impressive amount of effort for a needlessly dickish response to a very valid question.

That's news to me because my answer couldn't have been more earnest. I didn't know the precise definitions of the various pandemic/endemic terms either and so looked them up to learn what they were, then shared what I found thinking it would address the question asked.

Not really. It's just a quirk of how life expectancy is calculated. If in 5 years we are still seeing all of these "early" deaths, then that will be significant. But assuming we will get somewhat back to normal then this decline is just a blip.


But a decline of 2.2 years is important to describe what the covid deaths in the last 18 months has meant.

Ok, apologies if that wasn't your intention. But I thought my post pretty clearly stated that I'd like to know by what metrics the CEO of Moderna was predicting that the pandemic would end.

Since we know that Covid is here to stay, how is he determining at what point it's no longer a pandemic? When R naught is less than 1? Is it when weekly case average drops to a certain number? And if so, what is that number?

Can you see why replying with just the literal definition of a pandemic seemed a little trollish?

Initial reaction to reading this was yltsi, then I realized how ****ed we are. See ya in another life grandma, grandpa, Mum, and Dad.