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03-25-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Phresh
Can you toss frozen steaks into sous vide, no problem? I feel like it'd be a lot less air tight than thawed, but not the end of the world.
Standard for me. I buy steaks in bulk, vac pack them, and into the freezer. Really no point to thawing first.
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03-25-2016 , 01:42 PM
Cashy,

It's great that you've worked in some restaurant for a year or something and think you're an expert at this stuff.

But you're talking to people with far, far more fine dining experience than you here. And you're completely wrong wrt high-end steakhouses.
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03-25-2016 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
But you're talking to people with far, far more wannabe fine dining experience than you here. And you're completely wrong wrt high-end steakhouses.
fyp
there are obv very good steakhouses as well but those aren't the "elite steakhouses with 6/10 steaks" mentioned in the post i quoted
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03-25-2016 , 01:51 PM
I'm going to open a steakhouse that just has 1 huge sous vide bath set to 128*, patrons only get to choose cut, and their steak is perfect and in front of them 3 mins after they order.

How can this fail
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03-25-2016 , 01:55 PM
In the city I live and have been to nearly every "steakhouse" and could go to whole foods and purchase a similar cut for far cheaper. There are more expensive french and fine dining places and I have been to some, and even those I could find a butcher to get similar meat much cheaper.

"Steakhouses" such as those and being "one step up from a buffet" isn't even a funny troll.

What is the other cashy-ism? That dry aged meat is a conspiracy?
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03-25-2016 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Malice's Attorney
I'm going to open a steakhouse that just has 1 huge sous vide bath set to 128*, patrons only get to choose cut, and their steak is perfect and in front of them 3 mins after they order.

How can this fail
Sounds like a winner to me. Dont even need to stop there, you can easily have gourmet sides that are heat to order from large batches.

Just focus on serving that perfect steak meal for when the craving hits, and be out in 20-45 mins total if you want.
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03-25-2016 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
In the city I live and have been to nearly every "steakhouse" and could go to whole foods and purchase a similar cut for far cheaper. There are more expensive french and fine dining places and I have been to some, and even those I could find a butcher to get similar meat much cheaper.
you don't even have the remotest idea how price calculation works in the gastronomy, right?
a lot of restaurants barely breakeven on steak and can only offer it due to mixed calculation, steak-houses don't make much with it either.
profit usually comes from sides, volume and drinks.
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03-25-2016 , 02:13 PM
Cashy,

I've been to 40+ two and three star Michelin restaurants on three continents, and who knows how many more one stars. And well over 20 high end steakhouses. I also know numerous fine dining chefs and owners. I'm pretty confident I'm more qualified to evaluate this topic than you are.

Mullen made a point to talk about elite steakhouses. As Larry said, what they offer is almost the exact opposite of what you describe.

There is absolutely nothing low quality, cheap, or buffet like about them.

You are completely clueless about this topic, and I have no idea why you are trying to make an argument out of a very straightforward post from Mullen and make yourself look like a fool.

Before embarrassing yourself more, here's an idea of the type of restaurant that is being discussed, a few I like in SF.

http://5a5stk.com

http://www.alexanderssteakhouse.com/sanfrancisco/

http://www.harrisrestaurant.com

Stick to stuff you actually know something about instead of trying to rip on other people's posts.
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03-25-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cashy
you don't even have the remotest idea how price calculation works in the gastronomy, right?
a lot of restaurants barely breakeven on steak and can only offer it due to mixed calculation, steak-houses don't make much with it either.
profit usually comes from sides, volume and drinks.
Yes, I have a very good understanding of how restaurant pricing works.

No, I don't see your side of the argument.
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03-25-2016 , 02:14 PM
the restaurants discussed are "elite restaurants with medicore 6/10 steaks"
read the post I quoted.

no highly (gault millau/michelin) rated restaurant will have 6/10 steak, fact.
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03-25-2016 , 02:18 PM
Malice,

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Originally Posted by Malice's Attorney
I'm going to open a steakhouse that just has 1 huge sous vide bath set to 128*, patrons only get to choose cut, and their steak is perfect and in front of them 3 mins after they order.

How can this fail

That is actually probably not that crazy an idea!

There are tons of places with tanks of lobsters to choose from, and Asian places where they even have fish to choose from the tank. And plenty of steak places that bring around cuts to choose from or have a case to choose from.

Edit: oh I misinterpreted your post at first, I though you meant you pick out your specific cut from the sous vide bath. Quite a few places (restaurants serving steak as opposed to steakhouses) do what you say already. I think the cooler part would be the pick out your specific steak, and then you choose a doneness and seasoning.

That ribeye, medium, with garlic/herb seasoning. Sear and season in the pan for a few minutes, boom, done!

Last edited by El Diablo; 03-25-2016 at 02:24 PM.
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03-25-2016 , 02:23 PM
It would be so lol walking into a restaurant and having am aquarium full of steaks floating around
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03-25-2016 , 02:25 PM
Pwns,

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Originally Posted by pwnsall
It would be so lol walking into a restaurant and having am aquarium full of steaks floating around

I assume by lol you mean awesome.
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03-25-2016 , 02:26 PM
Yeah that as well! I'd definitely try it

"Why do you keep the ribeyes in a different tank than the filets? Do they not get along?"
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03-25-2016 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Pwns,




I assume by lol you mean awesome.
That's EXACTLY what i was thinking!

And i dont think cashy understands the quality of some of the steakhouses here in chicago. No clue where hes from
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03-25-2016 , 02:30 PM
I've had some really awesome steaks at high end steakhouses. Yes maybe they aren't michelin star quality (most of those are eating menu type restaurants) but they are really, really good. They use salamanders which most of us don't have and the heat that those ovens can use make really sick steaks.
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03-25-2016 , 02:31 PM
Cashy,

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Originally Posted by cashy
the restaurants discussed are "elite restaurants with medicore 6/10 steaks"
read the post I quoted.

no highly (gault millau/michelin) rated restaurant will have 6/10 steak, fact.

Dude, give it up, man, it's ok to just admit you were wrong, learn something, and move on.

Mullen was perfectly clear that of the steakhouses in his city, the most elite one was on par with the most elite steaks here, the top ones were like 8/10 steaks here, and the ones below that were like $40-50 for 6/10 steaks here. His post could not have been simpler or clearer.

You then respond with some absurd comment relating his post to complaining about buffet food quality. GTFO.
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03-25-2016 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Cashy,


Dude, give it up, man, it's ok to just admit you were wrong, learn something, and move on.
no you

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Originally Posted by mullen
I've been to a good amount of local steakhouses that have reputations for being elite, I have no doubt that the super top end of this thread is better than every single one of them. Then there's 1 place that consistently puts out great steaks that belong just below the super high end stuff here. Then another that can consistently compete with some 8/10s here.

Everything else is significantly worse than like 6/10, good effort for just starting out here. I mean it's pathetic. $40-$50 for a steak, there's always grey band, and the crust is always weak. Not sure how these places manage that but it always happens. The average steak here is miles above the average steak at a typical steakhouse.
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Originally Posted by cashy
"steakhouses" are usually on the low end of quality in the culinary world and for the most part offer big amount of meat for fairly cheap prices(in relation to cost of goods)
it's a bit like complaining about the quality of food at a buffet

also lol at completely twisting a/o not understanding the buffet comparison, jfc reading comprehension

Last edited by cashy; 03-25-2016 at 02:40 PM. Reason: also with that i'm out, no point wasting my(valuable) time any further
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03-25-2016 , 02:44 PM
Cashy,

Complaining about a $50 steak not being prepared well is absolutely nothing like complaining about the quality of food at a buffet. Simple as that.
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03-25-2016 , 02:57 PM
Nice attempt at walk-back, cashy! Truly. Yes, you did find the flaws in your own argumentation. Great job! Or perhaps you're now saying that your original reply was totally nonsequitor and not related to mullen's post? That does seem to be what you're actually arguing, given the content and obvious intent of his post. Would make it super weird for you to have quoted his post, but whatever. Or maybe you're illiterate. Who knows? Either or.

Maybe next if you want to go nuts, you can explain away the incredibly well-known bias against Italian restaurants in the Michelin rankings? Please don't, though. This thread has really had enough of your stupid for today.
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03-25-2016 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Malice,

That is actually probably not that crazy an idea!

There are tons of places with tanks of lobsters to choose from, and Asian places where they even have fish to choose from the tank. And plenty of steak places that bring around cuts to choose from or have a case to choose from.

Edit: oh I misinterpreted your post at first, I though you meant you pick out your specific cut from the sous vide bath. Quite a few places (restaurants serving steak as opposed to steakhouses) do what you say already. I think the cooler part would be the pick out your specific steak, and then you choose a doneness and seasoning.

That ribeye, medium, with garlic/herb seasoning. Sear and season in the pan for a few minutes, boom, done!
After the patron makes their choice, we serve it a la benihana and have Sparks set up with a weber inferno table side so they get to see DAT CHAR in action, just to make it a little less formal.

I'm going to speak with investors today.
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03-25-2016 , 03:17 PM
On the subject of restaurant steaks, there are a few I am eager to go to such as Asador Extebarri

http://www.thegourmetforager.com/201...dor-etxebarri/

Cliffs:

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03-25-2016 , 03:39 PM
Might double whammy people for too much char outside and too blue inside.
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03-25-2016 , 03:44 PM
If that is top of the line steak then that is fine by me.
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03-25-2016 , 03:46 PM
It probably is a bit too blue if we're going to talk about ideal steak doneness but I think it is done with purpose. It's a restaurant where every dish is grilled and thus to evoke the primal nature of the restaurant, the meat is intentionally black and blue. And just as I enjoy high end shabu shabu or sukiyaki restaurants where a5 wagyu is cooked almost to medium well, I will likely enjoy this since who knows, maybe black and blue is the best way to enjoy Galician beef while in the verdant hills outside San Sebastien.
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