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11-19-2018 , 01:00 AM
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but that afternoon just chilling out joking around and making guacamole with my new friends was one of the absolute highlights of the entire trip. Cross cultural exchange is one of my favorite things, and of course so is guacamole. Being able to introduce it to people who have never had it before while they welcomed me into their home and treated me like a family member was an experience I will always remember and cherish. That kind of thing is what travel is all about for me.
Good stuff chop.
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11-19-2018 , 05:43 AM
Dids - that water swirl scam is standard. It's both appropriate and amusing that they do it there, given that the Coriolis force is the weakest near the equator.

NoSoup - ty, I'm pretty happy with life these days.

mark - you have about as much chance of getting my chopamole recipe as you have of getting my chili recipe!

Chuck - lots of places I haven't gone that I would like to go. No disappointments, places are like people - everywhere has something to offer. You just need to be willing to look. Jakarta sucked, I guess. Rabaul not so great, either. For the South Pacific & Oceania, I've sailed French Polynesia, Fiji, New Caledonia, Solomon Islands, PNG, Indo. Was intending to go FP -> Oz and lots in between, but had to unexpectedly fly back to USA#1 to help with some family stuff. Might give that another shot in about six months from now. Tonga is certainly on my list.

Rexx - they were mostly spoken in Luganda so I didn't understand them. Various peppers for sure.



In other news, I found a boat here in the Canaries. Or rather, it found me. Not 100% sure yet, but looks good so far. A friend of mine who I did the Miami -> Bahamas -> T&C -> DR sail with sent me a message a few days ago asking where I was. Turns out he was at Tenerife, one island away from Gran Canaria where I am now. He sailed over yesterday and I'll meet up with him today. It will be us and three others on his new-to-him catamaran. We don't have a fixed destination or departure time, but we'll target casting off in the next 4-5 days depending on how boat tasks go. I'm guessing more like 6-7 days. Probably end up somewhere in the south Carib.

Was hoping to bring this thread current while in Las Palmas but doubt it's going to happen, too much boat stuff to take care of. Speaking of which, I should work on the provisioning list.
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11-19-2018 , 06:24 AM
because I'm already tired of computing grams per serving for pasta/meat/veg..



Didn't stay in Rwanda long, mostly due to timing but also because Kigali is pretty boring. Incredibly clean, as everyone who goes there notices, but also not much going on. With the amount of trash everywhere in most major African cities, Kigali really stands out. They implemented their plastics ban a while ago, and they are pretty draconian about enforcing it. Whatever your opinion on that topic, it is inarguable that it works. If you think about most trash that you see in major less developed places, it's generally composed of plastic, including infinite plastic bags. Kigali has none of that. It was a nice change.

Despite the cleanliness, it was time to go. I packed up my sweet banana coins:




and headed off to the airport:




going thru the temp scanner:




which is usually just a person holding a temperature gun, but much nicer in Kigali, as seen above. Yellow Fever is still an issue in some parts of Rwanda, as are some other diseases, and they take the scans very seriously.

Decided to fly because I was headed to Addis Ababa next, and it was a huge distance that would have involved a lot of backtracking thru Uganda and Kenya by bus. Also, you can't get a visa on arrival for Ethiopia via land entry - they only grant them via air arrival, and only at AA.

My checked bag was searched but nothing taken:



and I got that sweet sticker which is now affixed to the cover of my laptop.

Ethiopia was an experience. Some pickpockets tried to mug me, I fed wild hyenas by mouth, had wild falcons snatch bits of meat out of my hand, got scammed by a forex guy for about $2, took a side trip to Djibouti for some diving, and ate my bodyweight in injera. More on all this later.
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11-19-2018 , 12:36 PM
Hope you gave them pickpockets what fer.
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11-19-2018 , 05:21 PM
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mark - you have about as much chance of getting my chopamole recipe as you have of getting my chili recipe!
Sweet! I really like chili too. I checked my PMs and haven't received my recipes yet. Are you sure you sent them to the right sn?
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11-19-2018 , 06:16 PM
Mark,

He pmed them to me!

Chop,

Not nice playing favourites!

Injera is a wonderful bread for soaking up all those great lentil dishes and berbere stews. Did you like the spiced silverbeet dish? I was told a fair amount of Westerners don't like it but I loved it!
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11-19-2018 , 09:23 PM
Not really sure the right wording for this, hopefully you can interpret. You mentioned provisioning for the trip.

When you're doing one of these transoceanic crossings, what's the eating strategy? Is it either pretty regular meals with the whole crew, or is it everybody on their own?

If the latter, is it more full meals, or just nibble along to keep the edge off as hunger appears?

I don't know why that seemed like it should be a topic for discussion.
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11-19-2018 , 09:41 PM
He's probably going to eat copious amounts of fish that they catch.
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11-20-2018 , 09:36 AM
mark - yeah it's on the way

Rexx - not sure if I had silverbeet or not, but I ate everything that I was offered or put in front of me.

golddog - going to have to delay a full response on that as provisioning is one of my favorite sailing topics and I have many thoughts on it. In a nutshell:

Eating strategy is same as poker: it depends.

Sometimes regular meals, sometimes everyone on their own. For longer passages, there is usually at least one regular shared meal tho - often a late lunch or early dinner.

In the case of foraging, meal composition depends on the people and the resources available. If you have access to a microwave (a luxury for sure due to its electrical demands) and ample storage space, then it is very easy to just do whatever you want, including individual serving meals. If not, it's much easier to default to shared pot meals like chili, etc.

Some of the variables that drive the strategy are: length of trip, # of people on boat, watch schedules, space on board, fridge/freezer availability & space if available, dietary restrictions, personal preferences, whether or not there is a dedicated cook, crew experience, etc


Here are a few examples:

When de cap, de cap bro, and I did the Hawaii -> Seattle run, it was 23 days. We had a stovetop and an oven. We were doing 2x 4hr shifts per person. We had a fair amount of space available for storage, and a decent size fridge/freezer. We all ate pretty much everything. No relevant dietary restrictions. We shared some of the duties but de cap bro did most of the cooking while de cap & I focused more on the cleanup. de cap did some killer muffins, tho. We all had multiple passages under our belts, so things went pretty smoothly.

When I crossed Ecuador -> French Polynesia with the Australians, it was also 23 days. Very similar to the Hawaii -> Seattle passage, except we had a strict rotation for whose turn it was to cook, clean, etc. The only baking was when I made bread, which everyone loved, but no one else wanted to put in the effort to do. We ate a lot of meat because Aussies love meat. We had a microwave but almost never used it. On another trip with the most of the same crew on the same boat, we bought something like 30 meat pies in New Caledonia for the passage to the east coast of Oz, and probably a third of my meals that week just involved nuking a chicken pie.

On a previous Atlantic crossing with stops in Bermuda & Azores, I was with two other USA#1ers on an enormous catamaran. We had tons of space, including tons of fridge & freezer space. Enormous solar panels and a huge battery bank let us use the microwave whenever we wanted. They enjoyed the finer things in life, so we were eating stuff like duck, truffles, etc.


Comparing the above to this coming passage, there will be a lot more constraints this time. There will be five of us, on a smaller catamaran. The cat was built as a racing cat, not a cruising cat. It was fitted out for charters. That means that storage space will be more limited than usual. It also means that there are two fairly small fridge/freezer combo units, but the freezers in each are little half shelf things with very little space. Very similar to this:



so I'm not counting on being able to freeze anything, and only refrigerate some stuff. We have one vegetarian and at least two mostly-vegetarians. Not sure about the last person. I'm an omnivore but I am fine going without meat for a few weeks.

The oven is also having issues, unable to go above 160C/320F (root cause unknown) and my friend has pretty much says he doesn't intend to fix it unless it's a easy/quick fix, so that pretty much rules out baking bread & muffins, sadly. No microwave, but the stovetop works fine.

What this means is that provisioning will be focused on non-refrigerated proteins like beans, lentils, quinoa. Fishing becomes more important for fresh protein because of the lack of cold storage, so I'll be running at least two lines. We'll have some cans of chicken but not many. Nuts (which I can't eat) will be more heavily provisioned than usual. I'll get something else for myself.

5 people x 20 days (estimate) x 3 meals/day = 300 meal units. Since we'll likely be doing at least dinner/lunches mostly together due to being well rested (5 people makes watches lots easier to handle), that means looking at about 40 group meals to plan out and try to maximize both nutrition and variety.

OK I'm cutting myself off here, otherwise I'll just go on and on forever.

In a nutshell, this passage is requiring more planning than usual due to these restrictions: no oven, mostly veg people, limited storage space, limited fridge space, zero freezer space.

So I'll be researching easy quinoa/seitan recipes and reminding myself how to properly cook lentils over the next couple of days.
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11-22-2018 , 06:49 AM
Probably no more catch-up updates until I'm back in USA#1. Here's a realtime update as of today from the Canary Islands.

Met up with the rest of the crew last night for dinner on the boat. It will be the USA#1 owner/captain, who I've sailed with before a few times in the Carib about 5 years ago (he's the one I caught the shark with as mentioned way back in the start of this thread), a French woman with some good sailing experience who definitely seems to know what she's doing, a Norwegian woman with less experience but a effervescent attitude, a Finnish/Russian woman who has been sailing with the captain the last few months, and yours truly. And the dog, who has lived almost his whole life on the boat.

This will be the first majority-women crewed vessel (unless you count the dog, then we're an even split) I've sailed on. My friend prefers sailing with women for various reasons, #1 being to prevent any kind of alpha dog testosterone-fueled conflicts. Since we've sailed together before, he makes an exception for me as I'm a known good sailor that won't create problems.

I'll be the most experienced person (by miles & passages) on the boat by a decent margin, but my friend lives on his boat and has for the last five years, so he's thoroughly salty.

Doesn't look like we're going to get the oven fixed, so sadly no bread/muffins during the passage. Guess I'll load up on some preserved waffles or similar. Pretty sad about this to be honest, de cap converted me to the Church of Muffins on our Hawaii -> Seattle run.

We went thru the provisioning list line by line last night and made some minor changes but everyone was happy with it for the most part. I got loled at a few times with some of the quantities at first, but each time, we stopped and did the math and the numbers we came up with were almost always exactly what I had already defaulted to, so eventually they just started trusting my numbers. At the end, they all complimented me on how organized and efficient the spreadsheet was, and its accuracy with estimates.

I think we're a little light on sauces and I wasn't able to convince them about the perishability of fruit/veg so we may have some issues there, but that was not a battle I felt like fighting, and I made sure to get enough canned f/v. Once I explained the water requirements for making seitan, the enthusiasm for that damped quite a bit.

I'm a little concerned about water in general as we are taking what I consider the bare minimum (2L/person/day) but we do have a watermaker and will also bring some juice and a little soda. I'm fine drinking rainwater if it comes to that.

As for staple foods that will comprise the bulk of the meals, here's an image from the provisioning spreadsheet I made:



so as you can see, zero meats. Probably for the best, considering the tiny size of the available cold storage. I will be getting some canned chicken and dried sausages tho. My guess is that they will want some as well when they see me eating it, so I kinda overprovisioned for those two. The French woman is definitely onboard with the dried sausages so I asked her to be in charge of that selection as well as the cheeses - how's that for a stereotype?

Hopefully we'll catch a few fish along the way and everyone is happy to eat those. I picked up a decent filleting knife here as well as some extra treble hooks and my friend still has some of the lures I brought last time including about 8 weighted squid skirts. I figure we'll lose 4-6 of those so 8 should be enough.

We plan to go to the store today and load up. We'll see how that goes. I suggested taking a taxi back if the store won't deliver to the marina - usually they will but they might not be available due to black Friday & the massive # of boats here. We may end up hiring a car instead.


Departure schedule is a little wonky.

Target departure is tomorrow but that seems unlikely to me due to the amount of stuff we have remaining. Most of the boats here will depart on Sunday, which means they will provision fruit/veg on Saturday, so we want to avoid leaving on Sunday and/or provisioning fruit/veg on Saturday as the markets will be empty, hence attempting regular provisions today and fruit/veg tomorrow morning for an afternoon departure tomorrow.

If that schedule slips, probably looking at either a Saturday or Monday departure, but those are complicated by Black Friday (yes, it's a thing over here) sales and most stuff being closed on Sundays. I wouldn't mind leaving on Monday if the weather holds, we have a fair number of remaining tasks that I just don't see us getting done in the next 36 hours.

We don't have a target destination yet, just going to kind of wing it and end up where we end up somewhere in the Caribbean. I'm guessing Martinique or somewhere near there, but we'll see. Probably about 18-20 days passage depending on wind, how weighed down we are, and how good a job we do cleaning the hull.

Sorry not sorry for the wall of text, I know at least a couple of you find this stuff interesting. I'll take lots of photos on the passage.
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11-22-2018 , 07:01 AM
Rainwater FTW. I'm currently contemplating buying a couple of water tanks of gumtree.

GL not falling overboard Chop. I actually do mean that btw.
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11-22-2018 , 01:39 PM
odds of sexytime?

genuinely curious of the odds.
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11-22-2018 , 03:59 PM
Fair winds and Happy Thanksgiving chop! See ya in a few weeks. I definitely find the logistical stuff interesting.
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11-22-2018 , 06:55 PM
Rexx - shark gotta eat too

wiper - 0%, I am fat old ugly American, and these women are all early/mid-20s hot euros. Also, I am many things but I am not creepy old man who hits on women half his age. When I was in Uganda, a young woman got pretty mad at me for rebuffing her advances, until I told her the only reason was because she was quite literally half my age. Then she redoubled her efforts because it turned her on that I was such a gentleman, lol. In her defense, I definitely look younger than I am.

marknfw - no clue which island we'll end up at. Glad you enjoy the logistics, I love the provisioning aspect of sailing because it combines many of my favorite things: food, puzzles, critical analysis, spatial awareness, formulas, and problem solving.



The captain decided to halve the bottled water supply to 100 liters due to space constraints. I do not agree with that, but we also have a 200L tank and he swears that the watermaker works just fine, so it's not enough to keep me off the boat. Especially if we just treat the bottled stuff as survival water and only drink the tank water.

He also mollified me somewhat by deciding to buy a breadmaker (we'll see how well our electric can handle it) so looks like we may have some bread after all. Raspberry jam let us go go go!

We ordered most of our provisions online and they will be delivered to the marina tomorrow. I prefer to go directly to the supermarket but c'est la vie. Doing it online does prevent random impulse buying so you don't end up with cans of entire chickens and stuff like that.

We plan to pick up fruit/veg tomorrow, then probably leave on Saturday.
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11-23-2018 , 02:26 AM
age, shmage. you’re on a boat with 3 hot euro chicks.

motion of the ocean and all that. chopstick goes for a sail

safe travels.
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11-23-2018 , 04:38 AM
I am planning to go to Australia early next year. The easy option is obviously flying in, but reading some topics on 2p2 has got me exited.

I have 0 sailing experience, but reading some of the sailing stories makes me wondering about it.

I get from the earlier stories in here that it is possible, but I just want to check.

I think about flying to anywhere in the Carribean or Central America, maybe take some lessons and then start looking for a ship to Australia.
How much trouble would it cause me to find a ship who would sail the Pacific with a total saling noob who is willing to do all the jobs they ask him to do during that trip?
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11-23-2018 , 04:43 PM
Twistedd - It's possible, but it will take a very long time. Almost all of the rec sailboats that leave the Americas for an eventual Oz landfall stop in the South Pacific for months. Few to no sailboats go straight to Oz from the Americas. You can find a boat without experience but having experience makes it a lot easier. You can also go down to Panama and work as a line handler for canal transfers. If you help someone go thru the Panama canal, they may keep you on for the ocean passage. Alsp check out the Latitude 38 website for some leads.



Looks like our new estimated departure date is now Monday due to weather and outstanding boat jobs. Some of the things I did today included stowing the old anchor (just replaced it), zip tie-ing down the safety netting, securing the liferaft, labeling and stowing cans of preserved food, securing the trampoline (netting between the hulls) where it was tearing away from the hull, figuring out a strategy for securing the dinghy to the davits, picking up some odds and ends at the store, and some other misc stuff.
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11-23-2018 , 09:48 PM
Go buy some barley. After making the beer, throw the remains in the breadmaker, win and win.

Be safe, chop. Catch some good fish out there, smooth sailing.
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11-25-2018 , 06:50 AM
Still on target for Monday departure. Got a lot of stuff done yesterday - topped off the engine oil, replaced a sketchy impeller, re-secured the liferaft using better hitches, filled the propane tanks we'll use for cooking, picked up some hooks to mount another veg net, cleaned the rest of the growth from the hull using a drywall knife, swapped out the davit blocks for smaller ones to better secure the dinghy during transit, brought on some more canned foods, and so on. And that's just the stuff I did!

Today will be a bit more lax and involve watching the ARC boats depart. I'm going to skip that in favor of internetting and trying to figure out a solution to a package I tried to send from Milan, which was refused at central processing for being overweight and is now sitting in the Poste Italiane abandoned packages warehouse in Salerno. Gotta find a service to pick it up, repackage it, and mail it off. Looks like the Italian version of TaskRabbit isn't really up and running yet, but I found an Italian craigslist type website (subito) that I may be able to hire someone from. I know people in a bunch of other parts of Italy, but don't know anyone in Milan.

Tomorow will involve a fruit/veg run, a couple of other last minute items, then off we go assuming nothing comes up.

Still need to get that breadmaker!
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11-26-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Twistedd - It's possible, but it will take a very long time. Almost all of the rec sailboats that leave the Americas for an eventual Oz landfall stop in the South Pacific for months. Few to no sailboats go straight to Oz from the Americas. You can find a boat without experience but having experience makes it a lot easier. You can also go down to Panama and work as a line handler for canal transfers. If you help someone go thru the Panama canal, they may keep you on for the ocean passage. Alsp check out the Latitude 38 website for some leads.
Thanks! I will check that website!

I have been browsing crewbay a bit for now and will keep doing this.
When I find something that looks interesting I'll just e-mail them and check out the possibilities.
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11-27-2018 , 09:45 AM
13:30 local time on 27-Nov-2018, departing Las Palmas, Gran Canaria. Destination unknown. Somewhere in the Caribbean.

Most of the departure photos include women in bikinis and I know none of you want to see that, so here is the dog's butt instead:

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11-27-2018 , 01:53 PM
Dog has pointy elbows.
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11-27-2018 , 06:18 PM
Oh please let's see some women in bikinis!
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11-27-2018 , 06:59 PM
Safe travels! ⛵️ chopstick goes for a sail
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12-18-2018 , 11:37 AM
Been 3 weeks, pressing F5 every day. Any updates?
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