So in light of the discussion from the other thread I thought it would be interesting to post a real-life example of a somewhat complicated CCR situation and see how people answer.

Scenario: There are 10 people out to dinner. 5 of them are men, and are all 2+2ers. 5 of them are women but they are not all special lady friends. Three of the girls are special lady friends (girlfriends), one of the girls is a lady friend (a girl whom everybody knows but nobody is sexing), and one of them is a special friend (a girl who is not your girlfriend but whom you have hooked up with in the past with nothing currently happening.) In this scenario the hero (you) is a single guy with the aforementioned relationship to the girls. The other 3 guys have girlfriends and the other single guy would probably have sex with either of the 2 single girls if given the chance.

You all enjoy a nice meal with some good wine and you expect the bill to be around $1500 give or take $500.

At the end of the meal all the guys start throwing in their cards like they always do. The only discussion is to verify that it will be elimination-style CCR and not first-one-picked loses.

Your options are:

-gamble
-buy out yourself
-buy out you + 1
-nit it up

I go with .

What is my income in this situation?

Is it my income IRL?

Because I am currently a broke ass university student.

Since you are assuming the hero's position in this, assume that you are a successful mid-highstakes poker player and you made $400,000 last year.

Irieguy

PS- also sorry about the poll lag, I think the options are up now.

I went with the first option, if you guys are going to go all chivalry all over their asses, no need to put the awkward position on the guys with GF's

I wouldn't suggest for sure as I wouldn't want to look like a cheapskate to the rest of the table with that kind of income.

I'd toss my card in.

I would argue that this is just a flat bad spot to cc game. Also it really hinges on if the girls were expecting to pay when they were invited?

This thread makes me realize that IG uses SLF normally- and not just to be funny- and that hurts.

I'm no balla, but I could afford a $200 dinner for myself occasionally. Since I don't have tons of dough, the buyout for 10% is my only option...and since I'm the single one it's an easy choice.

Arg, I missed income requirements. If I was banking like that, I would definitely gamble it up.

Nit it up every time ideally imo. If I didn't think anyone else felt this way I'd just buy out to avoid lame drama.

I chose buy-out for 10%, but I never play credit card roulette.
I don't understand the point...it just seems like unnecessary variance.
Isn't this what profitable players should try to avoid?
(I would volunteer to pay >10% if my share was >10% of the bill.)

Poll is pretty badly flawed because of :

If its already a regular thing to do this sort of thing in this sort of scenario, of course it's option one. If this is a new group, and this isn't the regular thing, my answer hinges upon "how much do I want to sex one of the single girls present, and how many balla points will it give me in her eyes by doing this?"

On my actual income I'd probably excuse myself out of dinner and not go. If I did, I'd buy out. I'm not balla, and I'm not going to go broke pretending that I am to save face.

With IrieGuy's assumed income, then this:

Fail, there aren't five female 2+2ers.

It's a Big Lebowski reference which was first used to be funny and has now become colloquial... in the parlance of our times.

Irieguy

Is it clear that you are treating your girl that is there with you? Is she specifically there 'with you'? If it's basically 5 pairs there, 1 card from each is fine. If you're basically there alone and have met with all these people, not having everyone be accounted for the in the roulette is stupid. I'm not against chivalry but this is taken to the point of being just bad with money. I likely wouldn't say anything if no one else was but at the same time I would probably not be hanging out with these people who expect me to be paying for someone else as well as myself.

I love to treat my friends, so if you want to actively treat someone that's perfectly fine but to have it be the absolute default for any large dinner is just ridiculous. I pay for people who can't afford it, so it entirely depends upon that.

I buy out because Im not paying for dbags who think I should cover the equity of their girlfriends, and for a couple skanks who want a free meal

e) Pay for the whole tab to avoid any awkward situations. I mean, all those delicate flowers got all dolled up...it's the least we could do, right?

i would not expect anyone to buyout for 300+ in this spot and think that choice is kind of crazy. whenever i and a lot of others have opted out of flipping we throw in a dece amount above our equity in the flip for the bill+tip.

if a rando friend of a friend comes out to dinner with us all in a big group (and/or women are involved), and they have a meal, dont have any of the many bottles of expensive wine, and is by themselves and it is a 2k+ bill for 10 ppl, i think it is perfectly acceptable for them only throw in a hundo or 120 to cover themselves

in guys spot in example i would flip, but i would not think any differently if they bought out for 15% of the bill+tip

Right. As Irie mentioned in the other thread (fairly recently), it's all highly contextual, and it seems clear that most of Irie's entourage is aware of his approach to this. If it's thrust upon you by surprise and you don't like it, it's clear you will take some crap about being a nit if you want to buy out, but so what? (Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that in that group at that point in time you are in fact being a nit by virtue of complaining about something that everybody else is taking for granted.) If avoiding being called a nit is important to you for whatever reason (you like the people and want to hang out with them again, you don't like injuring your pride) then shell out the money.

EDIT: Let me expand a bit. I imagine that the way most people come to take up social convention is simply by being exposed to people doing it a certain way at first. I went on a trip to Montreal with a friend of mine and 2 of his buddies that I didn't know during my sophomore year of college and it was a pretty big revelation. The concept of "things evening out" and people picking up tabs to avoid the hassle and then keeping an informal eye out for each other was one I hadn't really been exposed to before, but found attractive once I'd seen it. I'm sure that I could have insisted on parcelling things out at the time all the time and it would have happened, but I decided to go along with it and quickly saw the appeal of the new method. I feel like this discussion is essentially the same kind of thing. The overall viewpoint of a gentlemanly obligation towards women is not one I really agree with, but at the end of the day it seems to me that people are only getting screwed if they choose to continue going along with a social group that has norms they don't appreciate.

OK- that's better than being some queercakes who refuses to say girlfriend and says SLF instead- which is where I thought we were headed.

The thing here is that somebody essentially has to claim ownership- in terms of paying at least- of the 2 unattached girls. Given what we know about your group- there's an expectation that somebody was paying for them. Then I think it's everybody throws in a card for their "date". If somebody invited 2 chicks and has to put in 3 cards- that's fine. We all know he won't lose anyway, because that is how CC game works.

Absolutely no question I toss my card in.

Personally, I don't think about this stuff very much IRL. When we put a microscope to situations like this I often agree with people who are like "hey, that's ****ed up!" but it never occurs to me in the moment, and it would never occur to me in this situation. If afterward somebody brought up the inequity I might even kinda agree but I still wouldn't give a crap.

cue the AlobarIsRight gimmick acct.

Need to add a 2p2 IRL meetup dinner equity calculator in ATF IMO

This scenario has me all torn up because on the one hand, it's ~1/2% of my previous year's earn, so who gives a ****, but on the other hand, are there 4 2p2'ers with whom I would have a riproaring time? Maybe, maybe not. If this is 4 of my actual friends, then I gamble without hesitation.

This is the key, the right play is to just not lose CCR.