Well the florets are the lightest part of Brocolli. If you are not going to consume the main stalk which is about half the weight of a Brocolli then you will need to eat double the amount.

Ok let's say 19lbps, 8.8kg. 150g of florets per Brocolli. That is ~60 Brocolli per day.

Yes it will be cooked. However boiling does remove a lot of nutrients. Unless you steam it.

For a lot of money on the line its possible. But I'm still doubting.

This discussion brings up a more important issue:

Am I the only one who prefers the broccoli stalk to the flowery part?

must have been a different raw food nutter then. Could have sworn it was you. Anyway that particular nutter as talking about eating 6 apples for lunch and sending his son to school with a healthy lunch of fruit and raw spinach leaves or some **** like that.

Sorry of it got you confused with somebody else.

Please would have gone a long way no reason to be rude.

Anyway my theory as to why its not possible is as other have mentioned that sheer volume of food.

I have as others in here done some quick back of the napkin math. So lets say you are of about average build and lets also assume you will be absolutely sedentary for the duration of the bet. You will still need an caloric intake of around 2200 calories a day just to maintain weight.

A quick google tells me Broccoli has 340 calories per kilo so you will need to eat 6.5 KG of Broccoli a day just to maintain weight.

To put on a kg of weight google tells me you will need a surplus of around 7000 calories.

So you would need to eat an additional 3kg of broccoli a day. So close to 10kg of broccoli a day. every day for 14 days.

That already seems impossible not even mentioning flavour fatigue and potential health problems.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you would develop some nasty diarrhoea which will further increase the amount of broccoli you need to stuff down your gullet.

Add in the deficiencies you would have to deal with because of the diet lacking everything but broccoli and water.

It would of course be super easy to angle the bet by just cutting heavily before the weigh in and rehydrate.

But yeah fair and square you cant win.

Depends.

cooked florettes all the way raw in like a slaw for sure the stalk.

If you like broccoli stalks you should check the local farmers markets if they have Kohlrabi.

They look a bit like green or red turnips and the whole thing tastes like broccoli stalks.

Brocolli stalks are a great and cheap way of making soup. Kohlrabi, steamed in thick slices. Breadcrumbs and then fried make a great vegetarian alternative.

My sample size is 100% of a few so far but it cures everyone who does it (they're not "war veterans"; they were recruited into programs that has some coming out of them questioning their own reality and existence). I also include other modalities like ashwagandha, lithium orotate, reishi, bone broth (which is also great for sleep), vitamin D3, magnesium citrate and even sunlight exposure.

Anyone with any type of mental health issue such as anxiety, depression, panic attacks, nightmares, OCD, and even terettes can be cured by eating a pure carnivore diet (there's plenty of "sample size" evidence by doing a quick search) and they will start feeling better within days. This is one of the quickest and easiest issues to fix.
I wasn't telling you to eat anything I was making a comment saying people with anger issues who are short strung, go on tilt easily and snap over little things (often the type that show up as trolls on forums) would most likely be a totally different person if they fed their bodies what it was designed to eat. It's usually due to a hormonal imbalance or they might have a food sensitivity or allergy to something they eat.

Our bodies know how to heal itself from whatever problem it has without following a "proper diet", which is only gonna benefit your doctors and pharmacists where a tiny little white pill is supposed to cure you (which comes with dozens of side effects so you then have to take another pill for the side effect from the first one, then when you're in your 70's you can barely walk, can't think clearly, and feel half dead because of all the damage these pills do to your bodies over time) and now there's even some strong debate that suggests high cholesterol isn't as much of a problem as we were told it was, but millions are on medications for it.

Bro, 19 pounds is 19 pounds. Florets, stalk, stems, buds - it doesn't matter. Of course I know that the stalk weighs more than the rest. You don't pump in 3000-5000 calories every day on a completely raw diet without being able to pound down enough vegetables to fill a bathtub.


Though this nutter didn't pack any lunches for my kids, fruit and spinach sounds a lot healthier than the garbage in a school lunch.

Asking what your theory is and to be detailed was rude because I didn't say please? Weird to hear that request coming from a dude calling someone a bitch and a nutter, lol.

Right, so I already know that 3500 calories = 1 pound. Most of the people speaking about CICO already know that and use it when they're on a cut.

Odd that when people are talking about losing weight, they're talking about everything except for calorie consumption, but when they're talking about gaining weight, it's about the calories.

My BMR is less than 2000 calories. 19 pounds of broccoli is 1000 calories over BMR.

What deficiencies and potential health problems? 3000 calories of broccoli has everything in it in large quantities except for B12 and vitamin D. B12 stores in the liver take years to deplete, and vitamin D can be had sitting outside for 10 minutes.

I've already explained that I can eat insane amounts of raffinose without any gastric maladies. If eating 3000-5000 calories of nothing but raw fruits and vegetables day in and day out for like 2 years never caused secretious diarrhea, then 19 pounds of broccoli for 2 weeks sure isn't going to do it.

Well, the bet was after 2 weeks you can't be 2kg heavier. I can do that without doing a fast ahead of time and I said I'd give him a 12-hour fast of food and water at the end before weigh in.

Now we're changing the terms to be something like, "We have to weigh you daily for 2 weeks and monitor your every movement to ensure you're not taking diuretics and enemas in order to get an accurate average daily weight pre-bet, and then have to weigh you daily for 2 weeks after to get the average daily post-bet weight and see if it's 2kg higher" which is a whole other thing.

So the claim is carnivore cures anything that ails you.

I like how challenging you on your diet, mostly in the sense that you were consuming fewer calories when you went carnivore and not that meat defies the law of thermodynamics, means that I'm a troll.

Well, wait... you just claimed that the carnivore diet heals everything from health issues to mental health issues, but now you're saying that the body can heal without following a diet.

The biggest issues I have with you guys is you don't realize that when you were 330 pounds that you were overeating and if you eat the same amount of calories of meat as you were in Ben & Jerrys and pizza, you'd weigh over 300 pounds again.

It's fine if you want to believe that exercise, fruits, veggies, and carbs while maintaining a healthy weight for an entire life will cause people to have to take pills to battle a bunch of illnesses, but the assertion that it's impossible to get fat eating a carnie diet is just too lmao. I guess you just ignore those cases.

Did you ever try over-eating on fatty red-meat from ruminant animals exclusively, like beefsteaks, rib-eyes or lamb?

It's nearly/next to impossible to overeat on that alone, and it is guaranteed that you can eat more calories than on a regular diet including carbs, with the same results (May it be maintenance or weightloss; to gain weight, you'd obviously need a whole lot more calories. Preferably from actual butter, not that with plant oil in it).

You are a heavily indoctrinated, old and stubborn, brainwashed by the local food industry.
Or maybe you think your feelings are more important than facts?

Somehow you are capable to admit that protein is more around 3.4 calories per gramm than 4, but you still ignore that turning your body into the fat-burning machine it's meant to be (there are zero essential carbs for human), avoiding sugars (all carbs are sugars) and their insulin spikes, has an even bigger effect/change on your outdated concept of CICO for the human body?


I lost 20kg in 2 month without counting calories, because it's inacurate, hence pointless. But the YouTuber "Revival Fitness", for example, did switch from regular diet to carnivore diet while counting calories, and he needed 1000-2000 daily calories more than one a regular diet.

Here is a link to a short 3min interview on NBC:
https://youtu.be/UIju_-yZa9k?si=IT55hz27tLzgH6Ms

"Counting Calories is a Ridiculous way to try and lose weight" / Think / NBC

And his arguments dont even include any specific details. Just why CICO is stupid, in general.

Maybe if you were smarter you could count calories accurately.

Nope. I stopped eating meat when I was a teenager. Tastes like **** and never agreed with my stomach.

This seems grounded in feels and not fact.


And yet, my diet is about as far removed from the food industry as a diet can be.


Yeah, and there is a thermic effect for carbs and fats, too, but you seem to ignore that. Playa didn't lose 150 pounds due to protein being 15% less than billed. He's not eating 500g of protein each day and it wouldn't matter if he were.

Zero essential carbs, lmao. Go try running a 100K race on bacon, and get back to me on carbs.


You lost 44 pounds in two months by consuming fewer calories. You even said you fasted, stopped boozing every night, etc.

I don't care about some youtuber saying he needed to eat 1500 calories more to maintain his weight. Most people can't count calories accurately, especially when it comes to things like weighing/measuring food. Go read a MLYLT food log for details.

But hey, if you think he had to eat more to maintain, then you're tacitly admitting that calories impact weight gain/loss, debunking your entire premise of the carnivore diet.

You don't need to count calories to lose weight. You can have discipline and just eat less food. Scale stuck for a couple of weeks? Eat less food. How do you determine what is less food? It's looks smaller on your plate or the numbers of an item are fewer.

He hasn't found a youtube doctor to teach him yet

You know what would cure that?

Again, stop twisting/spinning what I said.

To make it more clear, when you feed your body sugars, high fructose corn syrup, breads, seed oils, grains, and all sorts of chemicals that are in most of the foods in the standard american diet, it not only causes inflammation, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and other problems including fogging up your brain, but it also hinders the body in healing itself and properly regulating hormones. If you take away all that crap and you're only eating pure meat, eggs, butter, some cheese, animal fats, salt and water, your body now has the opportunity to heal itself which is why it reverses diabetes (that's kinda huge, don't you think?) and instantly cures mental health issues (another huge benefit). And I'm not saying some people "might" feel better - virtually everyone who does this diet gets cured from mental health issues including very severe issues as well.

I'm willing to coach anyone who's suffering from any mental health issue such as severe anxiety, panic attacks or depression to get started on this WOE because I know within days you will be cured. Just shoot me a PM (then you can chime in to this healing thread to give your own testimony that might help others get better as well) : )

Well that certainly explains a lot.

Eggs and fish are also carnivore.

Damn, are you really that uneducated?

Our body turns fat into carbs for when needed, like for some of our brain functions, or to store ATP in muscles.

Just LOL at your Marathon delusion. You really think you burn any carbs at the end of a Marathon? Your body emptied all carbs from your muscles and blood-stream long before that, and guess what it's using by then, anyway...

Fat (unsure if you'd been able to guess it, if i dont tell you. Never use rhetoric with stupid people...)

I'm done answering you, because it's pointless to argue with someone as stubborn and uneducated as you are.

Have a nice day

This guy improved his Marathon time by 28 minutes on carnivore diet:

https://carnivore.diet/alan-improved...arnivore-diet/

When I gained weight due to injury, I cut it all back off on a diet of Mexican Cokes, Chick fil A, PBJ sandwiches, and Stouffers French Bread Pizzas. 100% strict, rigid calorie counting. Hit the cap? No more that day.

The number one thing that slowed me down was the caffeine drop off when I cut back on the Cokes. I should have supplemented that, in hindsight.

Didn't need gimmicks with macros. Just CICO and willpower.

Nobody said you cant do that, you moronic troll.
It's just suboptimal.

Yeah, but did it cure all your mental ills? NO!

Does it cure tinnitus? I might be all in if that's the case. Anybody know a guy who knows a guy who was cured of tinnitus by being a carnivore?

Playbig,

The seed oils stuff is bullshit. Unless some actual proof comes about, it’s been debunked that they are harmful. All the “studies” being touted recently aren’t verifiable and the authors are hacks.


Parasense,

It sounds like you are backing down from your own bet. Is this correct?

Read the thread, and you get your answer


The seed oils...:

https://youtu.be/MuYvGyNXvPk?si=J4BzAKNse2vbUVCc

"The worst ingredient in the world"

And instead of criticizing Dr Berg and Dr Chris Knobbe, just do a little bit of research on your own, if that's not enough.

After they fed seed oils to animals which got very sick quickly, and died too early, they decided to market it for human consumption.
Same people that own tobacco industries...

Im done repeating myself ITT now.

Actually you said CICO was garbage and incorrect. Now you're saying it's suboptimal. Sounds like you're changing your story.

Unfortunately I haven't heard of anyone being helped with tinnitus by eating a carnivore diet. I actually had tinnitus myself which was diagnosed by an ear nose and throat doctor as "noninfectious swimmer's ear" but it never went away until I went to a chiropractor, and C1, 2 and 3 were heavily misaligned. It got better slowly after about my 3rd weekly visit and now it's gone totally. It can also be due to wax buildup.

There was technical data in Dr. Saladino's book and the study was I believe 6,000 people. He came to the conclusion that seed oils are toxic and went into detail.

I actually added some seed oils into my diet a while back and I noticed a difference so I went back off of it. I had less energy and didn't feel as good as I did so I went off of it and felt better. That's pretty much the only way to tell, whether or not they're considered bad in the MSM is irrelevant if your feeling a lot better without them. If you think about it, why would anyone wanna consume oil derived from seeds anyway? I don't see how that can be beneficial to our bodies, but that's just me.

Precision is optimal. Anything else is incorrect, or in other words suboptimal, and you know that.

Now go troll yourself.

Saladino is a ****ing charlatan, lol.