Huh? It's totally scientific. It's just not 100% of the overall weight loss equation. The 10% are basically variables on how your metabolism will change the rate at which you are burning calories. Eating 1000 calories is eating 1000 calories. If your body is burning 2000 one day and 2200 the next, it doesn't invalidate CICO. You seem to think the variation of a metabolism somehow makes CICO unscientific; it doesn't.

I've been doing cut/bulk cycles for 10+ years. I must be getting so lucky to be successful every time if CICO, in your opinion, is unscientific.

Please try only eating beef, salt and water for two weeks (when cutting). Called lion diet.
If you eat about +1000 calories more than what you guess your current maintenance is, and you dont lose weight, report back. I'll owe you 3.50$...

Trust me, i've been there done that, exactly.
Two weeks, and i lost 5kg with it. Roughly 3kg been water, ofc.


Changes in insulin resistance, hormonal changes, digestive improvement, lack of cravings, less appetite, less joint paints, more steady energy, reduction of addictions, the balls to take cold showers and do fasted exercise while intermitted fasting... Metabolic changes, and elemination of countless illnesses, and the plain fact that you are not consuming poisons that killed animals in trials, and afterwards got marketed to humans, are just noise, right?...

Let's focus on the signal of Land O Lakes, telling us how things actually are, in the real world...

You usually dont go carnivore to stay carnivore...
It's an elemination diet.

After a month on carnivore, you can/could/should add the other foods you enjoy the most, carefully, one after the other, to see what really does you any harm.

I added broccoli first, because it's anti-ostrogenic, and has more vitamins and minerals than any other vegetables.
I used to love eating broccoli, back then when i did hit the gym3.5x a weekbfor olympic lifting...
But i got hard stomach aches. Boiled it longer, but still the same...

Then i tried red bell pepper, with zero issues. They dont have any oxalates. Garlic also caused no issues, for me.

Another two weeks later, i added mixed berries, with zero issues.

Tried cashew nuts, and got knee pain, and digestive issues. Tried walnuts and macadamia nuts, with no issues.

Apples and bananas are okay for me, too, if i dont wanna lose weight.

Wheat, black tea, almonds and some other foods make me vomit, when i'm not used to eating them frequently...

But i can also tolerate white rice, if i need to work manual labour for about 12 hours a day again, at some point in time...

So really you are just saying the maintenance calories are being calculated incorrectly. Is this based off of TDEE? I would agree that there is a lot of approximation with your baseline, mostly, if not entirely because there isn't a better or more accurate way to actually calculate what your body is truly expending, but that doesn't invalid CICO.

Your body burns x amount of calories and a deficit will make you lose weight. Not calculating your proper maintenance has nothing to do with calorie counting working or not.

This is my progress of two months with this diet:







And it allowed me to stop drinking alcohol, and smoking weed and cigarettes completely

I just meant to say that there are zero essential carbs in our nutrition, and following that results in success.

Sugar addiction is worse than cocaine or cigarettes, and every carb gets broken down to sugar in our bodies... Sounds bad, but it is what it is

Ketones vs sugar is like Para vs Land O...


I've been eating healthy before, but drank shitloads of alcohol daily, while grinding short deck cash games online, for added 1600$ of rakeback per month...
That game is so reptetive, redundant (...) and simple, it gave me a mental breakdown despite my drinking, not bacause of it, hahaha

Interesting that it causes body hair loss too.

It worked for the same reason every other fad diet works: It gave you the motivation to stop snacking. CICO.

I don't know. I see 3 different people in the respective photos. Maybe their brothers or something.

I just pickup 30lbs of Rancher coop direct to consumer grass fed Utah beef... 240$ delivered.




Beef Share includes: 30 lbs of Grass Fed Beef of assorted cuts that may include steaks (Rib, T-Bone, Round, and Sirloin), roasts, ground beef, stew meat, and/or ribs. All beef is dry aged to perfection and cuts come packaged in portions small enough for two people.

All meat is vacuum packaged in clear packaging and frozen at the butcher. Each type of cut is labeled on the packaging.The cuts are varied but include a proportionate amount of cuts relative to the yield of the animal.

Much like the late Carl Weathers I very much enjoy a good stew.

RIP Apollo

Yup, I had a good run. All these years posting about pure vegetarianism to trick people into eating meat and dairy. It took a couple of decades, but I finally got a couple of people to go straight carnivore and growing to dislike me, despite my always pleasant disposition.


I eat a boatload of fruits and vegetables each day. The hardest part for most would be the massive amounts of raffinose, but my gut has acclimated to it (e.g., I can eat 5 pounds of beans without gastro distress).

The original point he asserted was that broccoli has some magical properties that if you eat a shitload of calories from broccoli above your TDEE, it will not cause you to gain weight.

Now it seems he's implying that eating broccoli would be too boring to consume enough calories of it to cause a caloric surplus, which is a totally different proposition.

3K calories of raw broccoli contains approximately 250g of protein, 2000mg of sodium, 30g fat.


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Seems solid to me.

Good job on eating fewer calories and subsequently losing weight.

Quitting drinking and smoking is on you, not your diet.

Parasense,
Chew your ****ing food better and quit pawing through your poop, you're going to catch something.

I like how it was somehow switching to this diet, not the fact that he was drinking probably 1000+ calories a day and stopped that caused him to lose weight, in his mind.

You are a bunch of morons, honestly.

If i would not have switched to no carbs first of all, i would not have been able to stop drinking alcohol a few weeks later, that's for sure.

Do you realize that beer and whisky have a high glycemic index, too? Stopping the carbs addiction allowed me to stop the alcohol consumption, which i never managed to stop on a high carb diet before.

And so but anyway

Do you REALIZE????

Son of a bitch. Someone needs to go let all the people struggling in AA to just STOP EATING BREAD you ****ing idiots.

The will-power and experience you gain when quiting carbs is certainly helpfull in the process of quitting alcohol.

Of course there are many people who are alcoholics due to childhood trauma, being in bad marriages and other severe reasons, but even those would at least have a better shot at quitting, if they went on a no carbs diet.

It's not rocket science... Stable low insulin-levels are way more healthy than swingy ones, for many different reasons.

Tell us how you honestly feel.

Do you think if you would have quit drinking alcohol first, then you would have been able to quit carbs a few weeks later?

What about zero carb folks who pound vodka, which already has 0 carbs? Would they have to add carbs into their diet to switch from vodka to beer, and then cut the carbs back out in order to switch from beer to water?

You being funny... A gramm of alcohol has roughly 7 calories of very fast and unsteady energy, which are totally empty calories (aside of giving you a buzz. No vitamins or minerals). There isnt a big difference to sugar.

If you want to stop drinking on a single day, because your bottle or sixpack is empty, or you think you had enough, try eating slow carbs. It helps to balance your out of norm drunk insulin levels, which in return reduces the urge to keep drinking.

reading this thread is like watching special Olympics

oh wait is land of lakes the weird dude sending his kid to school with a bag of raw spinach and actually thinks thats a reasonable and healthy diet?

yeah never mind no reason to discuss anything with you. But yeah unless you are severely angle shooting you are not putting on weight from a diet of exclusively broccoli.

You know that of course and are only talking out of your ass.

Lol, no.

What's your theory as to why that's not possible? Be detailed.

No. Once a 2008 poster (you) vouched for him, I accepted the bet. I wouldn't have done that if I didn't think I 100% could gain 4 pounds from eating only broccoli.

I concur with others that imo a diet of Brocolli alone you will not gain weight.

Primarily due to the shear volume you must eat, I feel your body will begin to reject it and make you ill.

If what above is true, and you must eat 13kg of broccoli for 3kcals per day.

Have you ever lifted a standard broccoli head up? Its about 300g. If you think you will eat ~50 full broccoli heads per day you are having a laugh.

Maybe its not a matter of if its scientificly possible. More a fact of humanly.

I can respect the position of "you can't physically stomach enough broccoli to get in enough calories to gain weight," as I certainly wouldn't be able to do it if we were talking about eating only a carnivore diet.

It's more like 19 pounds of broccoli.

Yeah, at least once a day, right into my gullet. Not the stalks, though, fk that - tastes like ****.

It wouldn't have to be 50 to reach the number, but yeah, cooked florets shouldn't be a problem.

Perhaps, but I'm not a noob. I ate 100% raw, 100% unprocessed (no nuts, seeds, beans, dairy, or grains of any kind), for a substantial amount of time while being able to intake enough to sustain a heavy exercise regimen. Two weeks of broccoli with the only exercise being walking to the shitter? Pffff.