It is, of course, much more complicated than "sensor failed, plane planted itself in the ground".

For seriously interested parties, this is by far the best source of information on this (and most air transport topics):

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...wn-africa.html

The Max is not coming back anytime soon...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/14/amer...he-summer.html

Once you lose passenger confidence, you're done. Think of the Lockheed Electra. Three of them crashed in just over a year in 1959-60 and the inquiry found that poor engine-mount design caused vibration that tore the wings off. Lockheed rectified the problem, and in military form the Electra is still flying as the P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft, but airline passengers just wouldn't fly on it any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-188_Electra

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...em-11556877600

Boeing’s Own Test Pilots Lacked Key Details of 737 MAX Flight-Control System

Boeing test pilots and senior pilots involved in the MAX’s development didn’t receive detailed briefings about how fast or steeply the automated system known as MCAS could push down a plane’s nose, these people said. Nor were they informed that the system relied on a single sensor—rather than two—to verify the accuracy of incoming data about the angle of a plane’s nose, they added

My first flight ever was on an Eastern Airlines Electra, ORF-DCA, when I was 12 years old.

Production was terminated in 1961 because airlines would not order the aircraft, for the obvious reason.

Lockheed may have stopped building them, but they remained in service for years, and passengers did fly on them.

https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...are-fix-2019-5

The FAA is so concerned about the future of Boeing's 737 Max that it is bringing in NASA and the Air Force to help ensure it is safe to fly again

Make it safe to fly by building it properly in the first place.

There's a thought.

No, Lockheed didn't just 'stop building them.' No airline ever bought another Electra. Not one.

Boeing have considerable legal problems. There's a $276m suit on behalf of a victim of the Ethiopian disaster.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1SR1ER

There's also this.

https://www.postandcourier.com/busin...42cdb4949.html

So you're saying they just kept building and building them even though nobody was placing any orders?


Ooorrrrr they stopped building them just like W0X said?

Well duh. If they stopped producing them then obviously no one bought any more of them. But that doesn't change the truth of my statement: the Electra continued in service for many more years, and passengers flew on them.

Also, the Navy's version, the P-3 Orion, was produced until 1990 and continues to fly.

CEO admits mistakes.


https://apnews.com/531ad32b38844a7685ab234e59337a97

I've only just seen this. You are being, to put it politely, disingenuous. Lockheed stopped building the civil Electra because no airline would order it. (Whereas the Comet remained in production for ten years after the infamous 1954 crashes, because there was remaining goodwill towards the aircraft, which in the Electra's case there just wasn't.)

And I have already mentioned, in this very thread, that the P-3 military version of the Electra remains in service.

Okay Red, I’ll take the high road here. I was not being disingenuous; my inference from your posts was that Lockheed stopped production of the Electra. I missed where you cited the continued use by the U.S. Navy (and I’m not going to go back to fact check that claim; I’ll take you at your word).

I also inferred from your posts (again, mea culpa, if I misread your posts) that the civilian version’s use was discontinued. Eastern used that plane for many more years. My first ride on a plane was an Eastern Airlines Electra.

I was merely trying to shed a little light on the issue. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-12...?sf226241718=1

Boeing suspends production.

Wow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ax-issues.html

I'm just relieved Boeing is taking this seriously enough to consider taking action against the people who wrote the emails

There have been lots of articles on the software issue, but I have not really seen anything that explains the economics/finances on all this WRT to the impacted airlines.

You have several airlines who bought a product that they can't use? In Canada, for example, both Air Canada (24) and West Jet (13) have the 737 MAX out of service.

So, what are these and other airlines doing? Presumably they are (1) using aircraft they expected to sell or take out of service (2) leasing some other aircraft, (3) returning other older aircraft to service, (4) cutting some flights ????

At what point does a company (can a company??) just say to Boeing..."we bought a product that is not licensed to fly.. we want our money back because we just can't cash flow/pay for an aircraft that is not in service."

Boeing seems to have and endless supply of money/goodwill based on the stock price. I really dont get how this has not put them in bankruptcy protection, but how about the airlines involved.

Can anyone speak to how the airlines (with such small margins to begin with) can tolerate this loss, and how long can they hang on???

While the 737 max fleet is grounded, I'm sure for that time that Boeing are giving those airlines with the fleet grounded a discount on future orders.

Downfall is the new documentary on Netflix on this.

Pretty sad and insane the things that led to these crashes.

They are going back into service March 10th for Southwest.

https://www.southwest.com/737-max/

I fly ~20k miles on Boeing a year will grudgingly watch this. I've seen way too many air disaster shows and docs
why stop now