omg theres a book ITT

This is definitely one of the weirder OOT threads ever. Wtf OP, run while you still can

I didn't mean get off in a sexual sense. I meant that a component to your whole relationship dynamic seems to be that you enjoy Little Michelle's existence, at least partly b/c it necessitates more of a parent/child or caretaker/caretakee (as you put it) relationship.

This is not normal stuff--it's not comparable to enjoying mentoring people or wanting to teach, although it may be sort of tangentially-related. If you in certain ways approve of this personality's existence b/c it sets up a dynamic you like, it's not like she's not going to pick up on it. It really seems like you're playing with fire here, my $.02, although not a psychiatrist, just internet opinion-haver.

LMAO

I think it's a perfectly healthy human characteristic to want to look after someone we care about, don't see why a fuss is being made over that.

+1 I don't see why all the people are spazzing over the LM stuff.

Fact is she could be WAY worse off with crazy preacher dad than with a guy who loves her.

Her mom wouldn't be too bad if she lost a little weight and the glasses.

idk how

Yeah could be. I've had some pretty bad bouts of depression here and there. I'll probably end up in therapy over it once all this settles down.

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Agree.

She doesn't seem to think there's any problem with it considering (stuff in my reply to Tony Lepatata's question).

Go for it.

If I had to answer now, I'd say either none of them or one that I haven't met yet (if any more are there).

Yeah I know. Thanks.

I don't know why the picture is so dark. It's more brighter on my phone and she was happy to be progressing and getting help.

And yes I've given her hell about looking so young since the first time I saw her.

1) It's in this post.
2) I was in school when I met her, hit the pause button on school to play poker and build a financial cushion, and that's when stuff went haywire. I stopped playing poker mostly and tutor math and write.

Quite welcome.

1) Yes, and it was heavy on me for a while, until her therapist randomly brought it up one day in front of us both and wanted to assure me that this would have happened eventually whether we were together or not, and that our relationship is probably making it happen sooner rather than later because of how her comfort level changed.

2) I mentioned this in an earlier response, but up until March of this year, everything that happened was more along the lines of "oh that's weird" than "holy crap run". The only time I've ever felt in immediate danger was the conflict with Matilda, even though for a while after she came back home from the hospital I sort of had this lingering fear of omfg what if she's going to cut my throat in my sleep. Before that, and even after that, I've never been in any sort of danger myself. As for why this is for me, well I pretty much went from never wanting to get married to seriously considering marrying her in the year and a half we were together before the seizures started. That's just how strongly I felt for her, and how well we got along, and so on and so forth. I heavily re-evaluated around the time the seizures started, then again around the time the Matilda thing started. Sometimes I wonder if I would have been exposed to it all at one time if I would have stayed around, instead of incrementally being introduced to it.

@neat, I just thought it was interesting along the lines of the whole anxiety thing, more related to poker psychology than the stuff in this thread probably.

There's a difference between hating what someone you love is going through and wanting to help them and help them change it, and helping someone you love while secretly or not so secretly enjoying the fact that they're dependent on you.

Since she is very likely to hurt herself when switching to certain other personalities, how can you ever leave her alone all by herself? Arent you scared to death that you find her with cut wrists or something?

Because he cites the fatherly role he's in when she's nine (or younger), including bath time, her peeking and shyness with nudity, and what's appropriate for dinner, then puts his penis in her while she's a child. How aren't more people at least a little curious about the mentality behind that?

I like to think that if I had Michelle's condition, I would have the wherewithal to state unequivocally that you can do whatever you like with the other three, but if I catch you with nine-year-old me, I will effing end you. Nevermind that Michelle Proper apparently isn't bothered by it, it's nauseating that he hasn't arrived at that on his own.

Have you two ever thought about murdering her uncle and pointing to this thread as a defense? Little Michelle sex thing is definitely weird but you don't seem to have any hang ups about it.

Need to wander into OOT more often.

I'll think of some good questions eventually, but really cool thread. Thank you and thank Michelle for being cool with it. You seem like a really cool guy with a sense of humour about the whole thing and a lot of dedication. I hope it works out for the best for both (lol all) of you.

I can't see any suggestion that OP is happy about this situation, consciously or unconsciously. In any case, even if OP is happy about being able to take care of someone, why does that make him bad? There is the idea that there is no such thing as a selfless act, which I actually subscribe to.

Answered this previously.

I've thought about this, and I've wondered if I'd miss them, but I truly don't know. If Michelle went back to being how she was before this happened, that would be cool. If not, that's cool too, as long as I don't end up dead over it. But I guess my actions sort of show that there's a certain level of that risk I'm willing to take up to this point in time?

lol

It was probably how it was worded. I answered this in the previous set of questions (or maybe the one before that).

Maybe it's just because I'm trying to describe what's going on and what's happened without going off on some Danielle Steele stuff.

Why do I need such a qualifying reason to stay? I think you'd need a justification for leaving.

hi5

One-on-one talks and other random stuff they do like working through books and things like that and Michelle/I-on-one talks occasionally with the same woman once a week. She sees a psychiatrist for the medication end about once a month. She's on varying amounts of Paxil and Abilify, I think.

For me, no level would probably be enough, but the people she works with on a regular basis seem to really know their stuff and have dealt with similar before.

Not really, except Little Michelle seems to have some lower level of motor ability. When she writes it's kind of choppy, and she has trouble controlling her hands and feet for more "fine" movements in general.

lolx2

I think I'm caught up through page 10. Just leaving this so I know where to start next time.

if you didn't like asparagus as a child you probably won't like it as an adult either

spoon; this is the most interesting thread that I've read in a very long time - thank you for taking the time to write it all out and post it.

I thought I had dated some girls that were out there but a 5in1 combo punch is miles beyond anything I can comprehend - good luck with everything for you and her.

also she is cute and I totally dig red heads.

You know you can set it to 100 posts per page, right?

I think maybe you're not great at reading between the lines.

Also, I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he actually seems like a pretty decent person, but the daddy/child angle on this relationship does not seem healthy or conducive to this girl's recovery. Perfectly nice, cool people wind up in completely dysfunctional relationship trainwrecks all the time.

How many times have you seen The Three Faces of Eve?

Going through med school I was very interested in Pyschiatry, but had a revalation one day that if I went into it, it would kill me, as I wouldn't treat it like real medicine, more like I would treat it like you treat this girl. Hell, maybe thats why I am drawn subconsciously to damaged individuals.

Anyway, forget that; we were taught you always have to rule out organic problems in these types of situations. I assume that has happened here? Including extensive medical/hormonal tests, nuerology consults with EEGs and MRIs. It is really strange to me the "siezure" part of all this and why she is not on siezure medication. Maybe this is like some sort of psuedo-siezure, although I don't even know if there is such a thing. I thought OOT had a neurologist (or maybe that was a urologist, if so never mind) that could comment on this.

hey op

i need a new stars avatar. is the pink sunglasses picture fair game?


gr8 thread

It's only when they first emerge, as in like the very first time. Afterwards they're usually pretty well-behaved in that category. I've found her with cut wrists, as I mentioned in this post or one near it.

Already addressed this, though I'm glad for the seemingly genuine concern and lack of pedobear pics.

He's got prostate cancer and will be ****ting in a bag for the rest of his life. I think that comforts Michelle some small amount.

Thanks.

I really opened this discussion when I talked about how it seems like a father/daughter dynamic sometimes. It's all good.

I know right.

I thought talking a little bit about my depression might help people avoid the "he really enjoys the situation/dependency" line of thought, because I don't particularly care for it and it's one of the saddest parts of the whole thing for me that she has to have that much care.

Hi spoon thanks for your answers.

I asked about MPD vs DID because they are the same disorder. So I'm wondering who is telling you they are different???

MPD was renamed to DID and basically has identical criteria. It was renamed because multiple personality disorder sounds like an AXIS II disorder (which it isn't) and because the switch involves identities (an actual different person) not personalities. Essentially they just changed the name to stop all the confusion within the general public.

Thanks, OP, for answering my questions. So in my question below:

You responded:

So to be honest - I'm not sure what your answer to my original question is, so I thought I'd ask again a little more clearly:

According to medical professionals - is it better or worse for this woman to be in an intense, romantic relationship with you? I only ask because I think looking long-term, and doing what's best for her to give her the best possible chance at a solid recovery, is way more important than whatever happiness you may bring to her in the short-term.

And, in my opinion, if you truly care for this woman, that should be your primary focus (it's unclear I think based on your commentary in the thread, if that is actually the case).

-Al