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08-03-2011 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
Maybe, maybe not. From what I've heard the hours are horrible and Harmon isn't the most fun guy to work for. Apparently a lot of their staff from the second season opted not to return. But it would definitely have been a cool show to be a part of.
f - it's possible stabn also meant "sick for the benefit of the 2p2 community" - think it's fair to say it's the most popular sitcom on these boards.

(Basically I think you would've been deluged with requests to have Chevy Chase's character killed off and an "Annie in a bikini" themed episode.)
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08-03-2011 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DC11GTR
Glad this thread got bumped.

Got another question that is a little deeper into the inner workings. It's a topic that my show is about to be discussing. How does the division of labor and credits go? There are:

screenplay by
story by
teleplay by
written by

There are more of course, but these are the ones I'm dealing with.

Who is considered what based on what they did? If the show runner doesn't write one word, but gives millions of notes, are they considered co-writer or co any of those?

For my show, there was a place, a time and a handful of characters given to me. And that is what I built the pilot off of. I came up with a large portion of the main arcs that make the show what it eventually becomes. There were notes a-plenty, but I'm the only one who actually wrote anything. For the pilot, I'm co-writer and co-screenplay by, but nothing for story by. I'm fine with that for the pilot, but the rest of the episodes are almost all my creation with a few notes here and there.

My contract for the pilot is fine, and if we end up making the show, these are some of the questions that will be flying around the room. I'm not too worried what I will be considered to a point, but it's one of those things where if they are considered co-writers, then shouldn't I be co-story by?

Also, and this is the last one for now, what is the difference between written by, screenplay by and teleplay by?

Sorry if I over did it
Those titles are for the most part arbitrary. Usually in TV you only use "written by" and sometimes "story by." I've never seen "teleplay by" or "screenplay by." "Screenplay by" refers to movies and "teleplay by" refers to television scripts but "written by" suffices for either one. One might say that "written by" means the person who actually wrote the first draft of the script and "story by" meant the person who broke the story pre-writing but usually they are just used as ways to divide up the script payment.

Check with the WGA but I believe there are various percentages of the script payment allotted to each title. So, you can play around with assigning various people various credits (and/or portions of credits) to adjust the various payments to whatever you think is most fair.

You can call up the WGA and they can probably explain this to you better and answer any questions. They are very helpful.
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08-03-2011 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Conz
are there any decent comedy writing gigs in NYC? (lie to me if there isnt)
Off the top of my head - 30 Rock. I'm sure there are others though. Nurse Jackie is based there. I've never seen it. It's kind of a comedy right?
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08-03-2011 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SalmanRushdieFTW
f - it's possible stabn also meant "sick for the benefit of the 2p2 community" - think it's fair to say it's the most popular sitcom on these boards.

(Basically I think you would've been deluged with requests to have Chevy Chase's character killed off and an "Annie in a bikini" themed episode.)
Yeah I got that. I'm sure I would have been obligated to work a lathe reference in there somehow.
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08-03-2011 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
Off the top of my head - 30 Rock. I'm sure there are others though. Nurse Jackie is based there. I've never seen it. It's kind of a comedy right?
plus Daily Show, Colbert, SNL...slim pickens
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08-03-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
Yeah I got that. I'm sure I would have been obligated to work a lathe reference in there somehow.
Would've been great to find out that Pearce has written a twice awarded screenplay, and to see what direction you guys would take that in! Sigh, oh well.

But sounds like Man Up is very funny with alot of buzz and I think a good time slot! Woo!
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08-03-2011 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
Those titles are for the most part arbitrary. Usually in TV you only use "written by" and sometimes "story by." I've never seen "teleplay by" or "screenplay by." "Screenplay by" refers to movies and "teleplay by" refers to television scripts but "written by" suffices for either one. One might say that "written by" means the person who actually wrote the first draft of the script and "story by" meant the person who broke the story pre-writing but usually they are just used as ways to divide up the script payment.

Check with the WGA but I believe there are various percentages of the script payment allotted to each title. So, you can play around with assigning various people various credits (and/or portions of credits) to adjust the various payments to whatever you think is most fair.

You can call up the WGA and they can probably explain this to you better and answer any questions. They are very helpful.

Thanks for the info. I've only seen "teleplay by..." for Sorkin in some TWW eps, but I've never looked for it anywhere else. We've only touched on the topic, but I want to be prepared when we really dive into it.


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I'm sure I would have been obligated to work a lathe reference in there somehow.
I actually did that for the 2nd episode in my show
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08-03-2011 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
Off the top of my head - 30 Rock. I'm sure there are others though. Nurse Jackie is based there. I've never seen it. It's kind of a comedy right?
Sesame Street and some other PBS shows are based in NYC if you want to write for a kids show.
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08-03-2011 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
From what I've heard the hours are horrible and Harmon isn't the most fun guy to work for.
I am legitimately surprised by the Harmon info. Shocked, actually.
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08-03-2011 , 04:38 PM
There's also SNL. Don't they have a crazy turnover rate of writers on that show?
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08-03-2011 , 04:39 PM
Harmon talks about the long work hours and stuff in the Community season review on the AV club.
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08-03-2011 , 04:42 PM
Yeah, I knew about the hours, but everything I've ever heard about Dan has been extraordinarily positive.
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08-03-2011 , 04:49 PM
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Ep 2, Into the Wilde
I'd go into the Wilde.

Spoiler:
Spoiler:
YEAHHH
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08-03-2011 , 04:50 PM
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Yeah, I knew about the hours, but everything I've ever heard about Dan has been extraordinarily positive.
The person I'm guessing you heard this from may have a very different take from the writers.

edit: He was perfectly nice in our meeting. For the first half of it he just sat there not saying anything staring at the floor while the two other head writers asked and answered all the questions. Finally I asked him something directly and then he talked for about 15 min straight without stopping. Then he basically did that for the rest of the interview. It was hard to get a word in edgewise. I'd also been told that that's what it would be like before we went in and it was.
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08-03-2011 , 04:54 PM
Can you pull some strings with Mitch Hurwitz and get 2p2 an advance look at the Arrested Development screenplay? I'll chip in $5 toward a bribe.
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08-03-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
The person I'm guessing you heard this from may have a very different take from the writers.

edit: He was perfectly nice in our meeting. For the first half of it he just sat there not saying anything staring at the floor while the two other head writers asked and answered all the questions. Finally I asked him something directly and then he talked for about 15 min straight without stopping. Then he basically did that for the rest of the interview. It was hard to get a word in edgewise. I'd also been told that that's what it would be like before we went in and it was.
RE: your first point, yes, he wouldn't say anything bad about Dan even if he thought it (although nobody on "Community" is shy about talking openly about Chevy being a cockbiter). But we have a bunch of other friends in common. Of course none of these people are likely to know what working as a writer on "Community" is like, or to tell me if they did, but just based on the character of the mutual friends I'm surprised.
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08-03-2011 , 06:28 PM
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Yeah I got that. I'm sure I would have been obligated to work a lathe reference in there somehow.
A random lathe in the background in one episode would have been so great.
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08-04-2011 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by stabn
A random lathe in the background in one episode would have been so great.
I looks like it would be pretty easy to work in an apartment and a roomate with a lathe in Man Up.
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08-04-2011 , 02:00 PM
Favorite fiction writer (books)?

Favorite books (novels and/or short story collections)?
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08-04-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by shriners
Would you consider it amusing to come up with a thinly-veiled 2p2 joke and try to get it on the show?
Math is idiotic.
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08-04-2011 , 03:45 PM
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Favorite fiction writer (books)?

Favorite books (novels and/or short story collections)?
High brow - Pynchon (Gravity's Rainbow, probably my fave all time)
Low brow - Dan Simmons (The Hyperion Cantos are awesome scifi and The Terror is an amazing historical horror fiction about a (real) polar expedition in the 1800's that (for real) disappeared but in Simmons' version it's bc they are trapped in the ice and stalked by this crazy snow beast.)

I just read Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell and it kind of blew my mind. I highly recommend it. It's a series of nested narratives. So, it starts with an explorer in the S. Pacific in the 1800s, then jumps forward through time with different stories into the far, far future, then in the second half of the book moves back in time through the same stories where you read the second half of each story, ending with the explorer again. They are all interconnected of course.

Don't really read any short stories. I started Brief Interviews With Hideous Men and didn't make past the first few pages of the first story. I also didn't finish Broom of the System. Although I am telling myself to make a concerted effort to get into DFW in the near future.
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08-04-2011 , 03:52 PM
I have a friend who's written for a bunch of shows and also has a writing partner. With her the two of them get paid as one person. Is it that way with you and your partner?
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08-04-2011 , 03:53 PM
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Literally anything. Sometimes actual jokes, sometimes just an image, just a funny word, a vague idea for a story or character, often there are things in there that I look at later and have no idea what they mean. Most of it is worthless and probably like 1% of everything I write down I actually use but it's at least fun to scan through when I'm stuck and feeling unfunny/uncreative. Here:



and yeah pm me your email
Nice. I used to do standup comedy and have a whole drawer full of stuff like this. I doubt it would mean anything to anyone but me. I'm still trying to work "wiping my ass with Bounce" into some kind of an actual joke. It's my white whale.

But I dunno I can relate to some of these. Love "hugging from behind". A perfect 10 could do that to any average guy and it would still creep them out. I'm curious if that's what you meant with that or something else.
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08-04-2011 , 03:56 PM
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This show already exists. It's called either Workaholics or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Love love love Workaholics. Funnies show on TV right now. Bro-comedy is a big untapped resource imo.
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08-04-2011 , 05:41 PM
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Nice. I used to do standup comedy and have a whole drawer full of stuff like this. I doubt it would mean anything to anyone but me. I'm still trying to work "wiping my ass with Bounce" into some kind of an actual joke. It's my white whale.

But I dunno I can relate to some of these. Love "hugging from behind". A perfect 10 could do that to any average guy and it would still creep them out. I'm curious if that's what you meant with that or something else.
I was thinking dude on dude. My buddy once hugged me from behind and I felt incredibly violated. I was like "You just hugged me doggy style WTF."
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