Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Other Other Topics Discussion of arts & entertainment, pop culture, food & drink, health and exercise, fashion, relationships, work, and just about anything else in life except poker, sports, religion and politics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-10-2009, 01:20 AM   #151
swingdoc
Pooh-Bah
 
swingdoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Slow and steady
Posts: 3,535
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Great thread. What would be the best path if someone knew they wanted to be a commercial pilot?
swingdoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 02:12 AM   #152
Roy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Roy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 7,437
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

How long do you think it will be until most/all flights have WiFi on board? Is the answer different for domestic/international flights in this respect?
Roy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 02:53 AM   #153
RacersEdge
banned
 
RacersEdge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Bluff City
Posts: 14,289
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Seeing Atlanta airport, the busiest in the world, with no airplanes moving for the next 3 days was like a Twilight Zone episode. I expected to see Burgess Meredith come out on the ramp looking for books. (too obscure a reference? meaningless to anyone under 50 probably.)
Didn't see that episode, but have you ever seen a man on the wing of a plane?
RacersEdge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 03:55 AM   #154
NozeCandy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
NozeCandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: lol goofybawler
Posts: 29,251
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

I'm sure you know this, but just to reiterate, it is a million times better to tell your passengers there there is an amount of time left in the flight you know to be more than what it is than to underestimate. Passengers are so clueless about where the hell we actually are and feeling like we're in the air with no idea how long is left is so awful.

Great thread though, one of the few of this length and depth I've actually read all the way through.
NozeCandy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 05:47 AM   #155
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Foldo View Post
I would assume your ability to really stay on top of the "little things" is superior to that of the average Joe. You probably don't have buddies that are obligated to say things like "good thing you don't have a job that requires attention to detail" during every home game. True?
Very funny Rick.

For others: this clown is in a semi-regular game I play in and quite often I deal. When I make any blunder, whether it's a misdeal of misreading a hand, there's always someone who uses this line on me.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 05:50 AM   #156
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Williams View Post
Have you even seen a grown man naked?
Yeah, you get the idea. Thankfully, he stopped short of that line.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 05:56 AM   #157
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by furyshade View Post
well the interesting cases that Outliers look at are cultures where there is strict stratification between rank, like this is apparently why Korean Air had 99999x more crashes than the average airline in the 80's-90's. it might be hard for you to say since i'd assume you don't fly with many Korean pilots. also are the JFK air traffic controllers as abrasive as they are described to be?
The best controllers in the world are New York approach, O'Hare approach and Atlanta approach (IMO, or course), not necessarily in that order. All of them can move airplanes and do it efficiently. Atlanta controllers are probably a tad more polite and tolerant (as you might expect in the genteel south). NY and Chicago controllers do not suffer fools gladly. Know your s*** and don't clog up the frequency with unnecessary verbiage. But having said that, I find them very patient with foreign carriers in NY. They are well aware of the potential language issues.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 05:58 AM   #158
Maximum Rocknroll
veteran
 
Maximum Rocknroll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: nights like these
Posts: 3,458
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

thanks a lot for this thread. the most entertaining and insightful thread i think i've ever read on 2p2
Maximum Rocknroll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:02 AM   #159
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeapFrog View Post
great work OP and thanks for an interesting thread.

So after 9-11 there was talk of arming pilots and sealing off the cabin in order to prevent hijackings. What are your thoughts on that? Would sealing off cabins simply be too expensive?
Pilots can carry firearms on a volunteer basis (the FFDO program) after a week of training. Still not allowed on international flights though.

Sealing the cabin? I assume you mean the cockpit (or, as current political correctness calls it, the flight deck). Sealing the cockpit means that we would have to have a lav up there and that's a re-engineering expense. Everything is driven by cost/benefit, so that ain't happening. I'm pretty happy with the way it is today. We have much stronger doors on the cockpit and procedures in place to lock down the cockpit in emergencies (i.e. no one in or out).
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:05 AM   #160
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by PartysOver View Post
ok that won't fly in this thread
Clever. I like it.

Are you referring to the fact that I alluded to a story and then left it out? If so, I shall post it forthwith.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:06 AM   #161
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by pmags88 View Post
i was told by a pilot that there are always guns aboard the plane
You were told wrong. That is absolutely untrue. The vast majority of flights have no guns on board.

(So what you're telling me is that a pilot lied? I find this hard to believe.)
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:16 AM   #162
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by praetorian View Post
Is there a safety advantage to certain carriers only flying one type of plane (ie Southwest)? When you show up to work is it possible you will fly one of several different aircraft you are rated for?
The advantage to having one type of plane is strictly economic (but very significant). Southwest doesn't have to have mechanics trained on several types of planes or pilots trained on several types (and jumping from one type to another, resulting in increased training costs).

At any given time, a pilot is current and qualified in only one type of aircraft. Though I have type ratings on my pilot certificate for the Jetstream 32, Jetstream 41, Canadair Regional Jet, and the DC-9 and its variants (including the MD-88), I can't legally fly them right now. I am only current and qualified on the 757/767. If I should bid to move back to the MD-88, I would have to go back to Atlanta for sufficient training to get current in that type. The amount of training depends on how long the pilot has been away from that type. At this point, it's been over 2 years for me so I would have to go through the complete course as if I had never seen the plane before. That means about a month in Atlanta. Imagine the cost...oh, the humanity! This never happens at Southwest.

Quote:
Obv very subjective, but is there any real skill difference in hiring from one major carrier to another?
No real difference. The majors have the luxury of drawing from an applicant pool of experienced pilots, either out of the military or guys who have been Captains at a regional. Different story at the regional level where supply and demand has dictated a steady reduction in qualifications necessary to get hired.

Quote:
Great thread.
Thanks.

Last edited by W0X0F; 06-18-2014 at 01:01 PM.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:19 AM   #163
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by PartysOver View Post
How accepted are e-cigs for long flights (ie transcontinental)?
If you had asked me that question a week ago, I wouldn't even have known what you're talking about. I think I saw an article somewhere about e-cigs. Never heard anything about it in relation to the job, so I can't answer your question. My guess is that, since there's no smoke or flame involved (am I right about this?), it would be ok.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:36 AM   #164
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by goomba View Post
I get absolutely freaked out when I go through turbulence nad the plane starts bouncing around. Please tell me there is no way for the plane to just plummet to earth like a lawn dart.
No, it would be more like a free-falling safe.

Ha Ha...dark aviation humor...good stuff huh?

The plane is not going to plummet unless the turbulence is so severe that the plane breaks up. I've never heard of clear air turbulence being this strong, but inside a level 5 or 6 thunderstorm you're taking your chances with Mother Nature. That's why we avoid these things like the plague.

Even so, planes do successfully fly through very mature storms and make it...they really are built strong. Just look at the wing stress tests that Boeing (and others) do. The wing doesn't break until some ridiculously high G loading.

I well remember my worst ride: November 11, 1995, Dulles to Albany in a J-32 (built like a tank by British Aerospace). We were turned right into a red cell on the wx radar by Dulles Departure control (red=severe, probably level 4 or 5). It was night and I was flying. All hell broke loose, altitude changing +/- 1500 , airspeed going from stickshaker (stall) to Vmo (max operating speed, the red line, or Do Not Exceed speed; beyond this speed the manufacturer does not guarantee that the plane will stay in one piece) and back again. When we approached stall, I lowered the nose to maintain airspeed and avoid the stall; when we approached Vmo, I relaxed the controls so as to 'unload' the wing (i.e. reduce the g loading) and avoid overstressing the wings and tail. Throughout all this, the plane was shaking so violently that I told Tom, the other guy, "you have the power" and I used both hands on the control wheel. I couldn't read the instruments and could only keep a vague sense from the artificial horizon of our pitch and bank attitude.

I remember very well my thoughts at this moments: (1) don't go inverted and (2) I hope it doesn't get worse. It lasted probably less than 3 minutes...the longest of my life and it was still quite rough, though manageable, for the next 45 minutes. I'm sure the passengers thought this was the end. When we landed at Albany, they all sat still after engine shutdown with that 1000 yard stare.

It occurs to me reading this over that I probably did nothing to allay your fear of turbulence. I don't like it as a passenger either. For some reason I deal with it fine when I'm flying (sense of control?), but it puts me on edge as a passenger too.

BTW, one thing we do to mitigate the effect of turbulence is reduce our speed to a "Rough Air Penetration" airspeed. In the 767 that's 290 or mach .78, whichever is lower. Think of driving on a bumpy road. It's easier on everyone, including the car, if you slow down. In a plane, the instantaneous g-loading is reduced by slowing the airplane.

Last edited by W0X0F; 06-18-2014 at 01:04 PM. Reason: Added last 2 paragraphs
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:37 AM   #165
carradioyes
adept
 
carradioyes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,011
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Do you ever dream of crashing?
carradioyes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:43 AM   #166
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom1975 View Post
I'm 34 and I got it. Keep up the good work.
Thanks and kudos for your knowledge of old pop culture.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:43 AM   #167
Maximum Rocknroll
veteran
 
Maximum Rocknroll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: nights like these
Posts: 3,458
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

have you ever bought anything from skymall?
Maximum Rocknroll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:59 AM   #168
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damon Rutherford View Post
To add to what others have said: Amazing thread, filled with both great questions and great answers.
I've been very impressed with the variety and quality of questions too.

Quote:
Can you elaborate on this? What sorts of judgments are you talking about exactly?
Well we had a Captain at ACA (my previous airline) who had a folder over an inch thick of incidents and training issues. You put a weak First Officer with him and it really could have been a recipe for disaster. Why wasn't he fired? Very hard to do at most airlines and a lot of this is because of protection by the union.

[I am a member of ALPA and I'm glad we have it because without it the company has complete power over the individual. The downside of unions is that it protects the least deserving among us. This is a poor summation of my view on pilot unions, but I don't want to digress too much from your question.]

Just to give an indication of this guy's attention to detail: on more than one occasion, he left an airplane with an engine running. On a Roanoke overnight, he was called at the hotel by ground personnel asking how to shut down the right engine.

He ended up having a very serious incident in an Airbus which could have easily led to a crash and certain fatalities, but he was saved by a very sharp FO. As a result of this incident, he was demoted to First Officer and never did go back to the left seat.

Quote:
Less seriously, I've had a theory for a long time that airlines deliberately inflate the "estimated arrival time" by 10 or 15 minutes, because flights always seem to arrive a little earlier than scheduled, and I think the airlines just want to make the passengers feel like they're getting in early when actually they're just right on time. Care to confirm?
The padding is probably true and due to the fact that the airlines are judged and rated by on-time performance. If on-time suffers enough, the FAA takes action, though I admit to not knowing offhand what that is (it might be economic sanctions).

However, the "padding" is also due to the fact that the block times (gate to gate vs. liftoff to landing) include the expected taxi time. On our international flights, we often have over an hour of taxi time built in to the schedule. Occasionally, for whatever reason (full moon? I'm never quite sure) we taxi right out and takeoff and thus arrive at the destination nearly an hour early. The opposite also happens -- because of weather or very strong winds limiting the number of usable runways, taxi time grows to nearly 2 hours and now we are late.
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 07:12 AM   #169
W0X0F
sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight
 
W0X0F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,734
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom1975 View Post
What's the closest you've ever come to having an accident? What's the worst conditions you've landed in (if not the same as the first question?).
Good question and I will answer it fully when I come back in a few hours. I will have to leaf through my logbook for this one, but I can think offhand of probably a half dozen really good ones (all in my general aviation days).

I can tell you the worst landing I ever made as an airline pilots was when I was checking out on the MD-88. I had already made two very good landings and the check airman who was responsible for my IOE (Initial Operating Experience) had remarked that I was doing great.

We ended up at La Guardia, flying the Expressway Visual approach to Runway 31 (this is a fun approach which turns right around Shea stadium) and it was night and there was a very strong and gusty crosswind. Over the end of the runway as I started to flare for landing, the wind died completely and I wasn't quick enough with the power to cushion the sudden drop. We slammed onto the runway...hard.

Dan Marino was in 1st class on that flight and as I said goodby to the passengers, taking my lumps for a job mediocrely done, looked at Dan, shrugged, and said "You can't win them all." He said "You don't have to tell me that."

Near accident stories coming later...
W0X0F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 07:17 AM   #170
RoundTower
ɹǝʍoʇpunoɹ
 
RoundTower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: soah made my profile
Posts: 14,560
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by W0X0F View Post
If you had asked me that question a week ago, I wouldn't even have known what you're talking about. I think I saw an article somewhere about e-cigs. Never heard anything about it in relation to the job, so I can't answer your question. My guess is that, since there's no smoke or flame involved (am I right about this?), it would be ok.
on my last flight Ryanair were selling them, so I expect they are OK for international flights.
RoundTower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 07:24 AM   #171
TUZbl
centurion
 
TUZbl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MN
Posts: 134
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

If I'm on an international flight from the US to Russia and Im with my girlfriend does anyone who works for airline really have a problem with me getting blown in the bathroom? Is it accepted, frowned on, or outright banned?
TUZbl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 07:29 AM   #172
PartysOver
Pooh-Bah
 
PartysOver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,970
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

What's the Vmo of a 767? What's average cruising speed?

Again, this is a fantastic thread. You're great at dumbing everything down while giving lots of details.
PartysOver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 07:30 AM   #173
entertainme
The Poker Mom
 
entertainme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 8,444
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Quote:
Originally Posted by W0X0F View Post
If you had asked me that question a week ago, I wouldn't even have known what you're talking about. I think I saw an article somewhere about e-cigs. Never heard anything about it in relation to the job, so I can't answer your question. My guess is that, since there's no smoke or flame involved (am I right about this?), it would be ok.
There's no flame. They do put off vapor, (more or almost none depending on the type you have - similar to what comes from a smoke machine used at a concert.)

Wiki

Quote:
In automatic models, when a user inhales through the device, air flow is detected by a sensor, which activates a heating element that vaporizes a nicotine solution stored in the mouthpiece.[1] On manual models, the user must depress a button to activate the heating element to produce vapor. It is this vapor that is inhaled by the user. On most models an LED on the opposite end of the device is also activated during inhalation, which serves as an indicator of use.
They've been banned in flight by American Airlines:

Quote:
Devices that are not allowed to be activated at any time are those, including e-cigarettes, that could cause damage to equipment or diminish the design, function, or capability of the aircraft.
Also reportedly banned by Southwest.

Ryanair is reportedly selling e-cigs in flight.

2p2 thread on e-cigarettes here.
entertainme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 09:47 AM   #174
Pinocchio
adept
 
Pinocchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: balancing preflop folding ranges
Posts: 798
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Hi W0X0F, thank you for doing this thread, its a very enjoyable read.

I'm currently on my way to Australia, I was planning on working and paying for the private pilot licence (i think around 3.5k?) and then paying to do the commercial pilot licence (i think around 16k?) If i get these two licences would i be able to find work easily ie: are pilots in demand?

eventually I want to fly small private jets for business people. What would be the best route for me to do this and what type of salary figures would i be looking?
Pinocchio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 09:56 AM   #175
SneakyFerret
Pooh-Bah
 
SneakyFerret's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Ma-yo Days Be Sunny
Posts: 4,886
Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

Now THIS is how an "ask me" thread is done. Excellent work OP
SneakyFerret is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online