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01-20-2010 , 08:23 AM
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Looks like a two man shuttlecraft. I like the clean look, but I wonder how you start it.
Get out and spin the prop, ldo.

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It's probably because I learned to fly in a Cherokee 140. Just as with newly hatched ducks, there's some imprinting that goes on with junior birdmen and they tend to develop an affection for the kind of plane they learned in. Guys who learn in Cessnas swear by high wing aircraft. I like Cessnas too and they can't be beat for looking straight down while flying, but most other makes use a low wing design.
I learned in a Cessna and prefer the high wing for visibility but find a low/mid wing vastly more attractive aesthetically.
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01-20-2010 , 11:36 AM
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Quoting an old post, but when I was a kid my dad was on this 15 or 20 times to test a water-filtration system that I think eventually was used on the shuttle. They use the KC-135 without the refeuling stuff. IIRC the microgravity lasted about 30 seconds, not quite the few minutes you say. I remember him saying the upside was 2G, but that could just be because that's how he simplified it at the time or I did in my head. It's pretty interesting to see because you'll see people and whatever random **** floating through the air and then BAM it slams down.
I think the number I quoted was from my memory of an interview I saw with Ron Howard discussing Apollo 13. Either he made the misstatement or I remembered it incorrectly but, in any case, you are right -- the weightlessness lasts about half a minute. Here's an excerpt from wikipedia:

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this aircraft is used to train astronauts in zero-g maneuvers, giving them about 25 seconds of weightlessness out of 65 seconds of flight.
(I'm not sure what they mean by "65 seconds of flight.")
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01-20-2010 , 01:55 PM
Thoughts?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispat...te-for-revenge

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There's been a story circulating the Internet for a few months now -- a tale about a pilot in Alaska who had to fly home on a wing, a prayer and a case of duct tape after his plane was mauled by a bear. Some say the bear was after fish. Some say he was just being a jerk. And some don't believe the story at all, chalking it up to Last Frontier fish tales and Internet hype.
Turns out, though, this online "myth" is grounded firmly in reality.

When bush pilot Luke Miller, 28, made an overnight stop at a friend's hunting lodge in Southwest Alaska earlier this year, he had no way to know that a large and very dedicated menace would, under cover of night, chew and claw his plane to shreds.

There are bear tales by the thousands in Alaska, and with this one the pictures alone are worth a thousand words. (Imagine what might result if a model plane made of paper-thin aluminum had a run-in with Edward Scissorhands.) At the request of the pilot, who says the images are copyrighted, we can't show them to you here. They're easy enough to find, though; shortly after the big bad bear left a big bad mess, the images of the aftermath moved through the blogosphere with lightning speed, and with each flash forward the narrative of what must surely have happened kept shifting.

But don't trust us -- have a look for yourself. From a small online newspaper report in South Africa to bulletin boards for Kawasaki motorcycle enthusiasts and Honda Element owners, to a forum on the Discovery Channel Web site and even the mythbusting site Snopes.com, what happened that late September day has become the kind of story legends are made of, plump with colorful details and a few untruths.

We had high hopes we'd get the pilot to dish out the straight story, separating fact from fiction, but he opted to remain silent and keep the mysteries alive.
What follows is the tale of the bear's destruction spree and the plane's revival as told by the pilot's dad, Mark Miller, and family friend and hunting guide Gary LaRose, who first discovered the bear's fabric-eating, metal-bending offense.

Contrary to some reports, it wasn't a fishy aroma that lured the bear in. The plane wasn't full of fish, nor had it just been used to haul fish. The pilot didn't radio for help -- he used a cell phone -- and the incident isn't a hoax dating back nine years; it happened around Sept. 26 and 27, 2009.

And yes, duct tape and plastic wrap saved the day.

LaRose had already had a few run-ins with the brown bruin, which discovered it could use the new meat shed at LaRose's lodge like a McDonald's drive-through. One night, after breaking out a window, the bear grabbed a hindquarter of freshly-butchered moose, feasting on 60 to 70 pounds of it as it dangled through the window, still hanging from the rafters.

LaRose boarded up the window, and after returning from a guided silver salmon trip, butchered the remaining moose meat, put it in the freezer and cleaned and bleached the space to eliminate all traces of the meat.
The next night, the bear pushed out a screen. Two nights later he returned again, got the door open and knocked over a bucket of broken glass collected after the first break-in.

Miller stopped in a day or two later on his way to a piloting job for another guide. A storm was moving through with heavy rain and 25 to 30 mile per hour winds, and LaRose's lodge offered a comfortable place for a night of rest. Offered a choice to tie down the plane out in the open, or about 60 feet from the shed, where it would be better sheltered, he chose the area by the shed.

"I figured the bear situation was done," La Rose said. "The meat had been gone for three or four days and I figured it got the message."

Early the next morning after a night of howling winds, in the dark before sunrise, a client reported another meat shed break-in to LaRose, who took a walk to check things out and discovered the bear had once again pulled out a window, but otherwise had done no damage.

No damage, that is, until LaRose remembered Miller's plane.

"My headlamp hit Luke's plane and it was literally destroyed," he said. "My heart sank. It was just an unbelievable sight."

LaRose was faced with the unhappy task of waking Miller up to tell him the bear had destroyed the 1958 Piper Cub's wheels by clawing at the rubber, busted out the windows on the plane's left side, and shredded fabric from rear windows to tail.

"He basically ravaged the whole plane," LaRose said, adding that, in his 38 years as a pilot in Alaska, he has never seen anything like it.

Miller had a small amount of vacuum-sealed meat for personal use stored in plastic and stashed in the gear he had brought along for his upcoming job assignment. Despite all the damage done to the plane, the bear missed it. LaRose questions whether the bear was even able to smell it, and said Miller's plane was otherwise clean.

Miller grew up in a family that owns a remote lodge and learned early on to scrub planes down with bleach, soap and water after hauling meat. He had transported caribou a few weeks earlier, and LaRose said he supposes it's possible there was a hint of blood on board, but he's skeptical, and thinks there's a better explanation -- one having to do with the bear's fondness for the meat shed and its proximity to the plane.

"He was pissed," LaRose said. "His easy food source had dried up and he was out for revenge."

If malice was indeed the motivation, the bear knew how drive the point home. It took a dump next to its handiwork near Miller's plane, LaRose said, and left a similar gift not too far away near where other planes were tied down.

After a few days of meticulous fix-it work, the plane was airworthy enough to fly back to Anchorage. Miller fitted the windows with plywood and Plexiglas, replaced the tires and the horizontal stabilizer (the bear either leaned on it or sat on it), and, according to Miller's dad, fashioned a makeshift fabric skin out of 25 rolls of duct tape and some industrial-strength plastic wrap.

As for the bear, it hasn't been seen since. It may have been "whacked" during bear hunting season in October, or it may be playing it smart. After all, bears know when it's time "to get the hell out of Dodge," according to the LaRose.

Then again, it may be off enjoying a satisfied rest.

"He's off digesting some fabric right now. He just disappeared into the night. He doesn't know how famous he is," the pilot's father, Mark Miller, said.








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01-20-2010 , 04:32 PM
Excellent thread..only finished it now and hope it continues.. I've had pretty much every question answered I ever had about planes.. I'd love to be a pilot some day.. I've always been fascinated by flight since I was small and have been flying simulators etc all my life and love it.. I'm hopefully gonna take my first lesson soon when the weather improves in summer..

I'm 22 and from Ireland and the way things are it looks like there will probably not be any jobs for another few years(4-5 years some people say)
With this in mind would it be a good idea to put save money for the next few years and then go to a flight school and hopefully get everything done within a year and if I don't get employment straight away at least I wont be stuck with big loans to pay off??.. a position which i know a good few guys are in at the moment and were in just after 9/11

I use www.radarvirtuel.com to find out what planes are flying over my house and where their destination is.. I often see Delta 767's flying over as where I live is pretty much on the flight plan for most transatlantic planes out of Europe.. it's cool to think that I've probably spotted you flying over before (I'm the guy in the back yard with the binoculars out, just in case you're looking down from 11km's up lol)

anyway keep up the good work.. amazing thread and check out this landing I think it's pretty sweet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YIyyuv7jI0
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01-20-2010 , 08:52 PM
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1. What is your theory on Earhart not making it to Howland Island?
I've flown among islands when I lived in Hawaii and I can tell you that it's not as easy to pick out an island as you might think. I once flew a Cessna from Honolulu to Kauai and my one VOR started acting flaky after coasting out from Oahu. It's about 90 miles over water and it was a day with puffy cumulus clouds scattered in a blue sky (unusual for Hawaii huh?). Every cloud threw a shadow on the ocean that looked like an island from a distance. It was quite an eye opener and I was really glad when the island of Kauai finally loomed into view.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist on any level (one reader here sent me numerous PMs trying to convince me that no plane struck the Pentagon on 9/11 -- I don't buy it). I subscribe more to the Occam's Razor way of thinking and it seems to me that the simplest, most likely reason she went missing is that she got lost and ran out of fuel.

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2. Sort of like the standard all-time poker game, who are the pilots, alive or dead, that you'd most want to have a beer with and shoot the ****? If you could pick anyone (alive) to be your FO right now, who would that be?
In no particular order:
- The Wright brothers (mainly Orville)
- Charles Lindbergh
- Manfred von Richtofen
- Ernest K. Gann
- Dick Merrill (who I did talk to when I was a new pilot)
- Amelia Earhart (I could ask her what happened)
- Dick Rutan
- Richard Bong
- Neil Armstrong

The guy I would pick to be my FO would be my brother. He's a great pilot and rock solid guy, who I would trust with my life.

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3. Do you think in 100 years flight travel will be much different than it is now?
Although I can't tell you how it will be different, it seems to me that it would be silly to think it will be the same as it is now. Just look at what's happened in the last 100 years. The whole business model of independent airlines might be a thing of the past in another century. What impact will the shrinking supply of oil have? Will there be an engine that runs on something other than fossil fuels?

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4. In a standard 4 or 5 hour flight how much would it increase the risk of a crash or some other bad outcome if you flew solo instead of with an FO? Same but if you flew two in the cockpit but with no flight attendants?
I can't give you a quantitative answer to that one, but the level of safety would certainly be diminished. If we were all flying around single-pilot, it would only be a matter of time (probably not too long) before there would be an incident or accident directly related to having no backup crewmember. It's a "checks and balances" thing. One of my favorite sayings in the cockpit is that "It's not a mistake unless we both make it."

However, I think I could safely fly the 767 solo to or from any of our international destinations with a very high probability of having no problems (other than possible fatigue).

Having no flight attendants would have no affect on the flying of the plane, of course, but would cause the body count to skyrocket in the case of an evacuation.

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5. Do you ever fly a completely empty plane? If so, why? Other than it being lighter, does it feel sort of eerie?
I'm assuming you mean for the airline and the answer is yes. We sometimes reposition a plane for the company. The last one I did like this was BDL to DCA in an MD-88 about 3 years ago. Another reason to fly empty is a ferry flight, which is when we fly a "broken" plane, i.e. one that has something wrong enough that we can't carry passengers, but not so bad that it can't be flown with an approved ferry permit. An example of this would be a landing gear problem in which we ferry the plane with the gear down for an entire flight.

It is a little strange to look back and see an empty cabin, but it's also kind of fun knowing that you can really "yank and bank" the plane without regard to passenger comfort.

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6. My father-in-law is some kind of mechanic supervisor in HNL. He has been a mechanic longer than I've been alive I think and now, if I understand him right (he is way too excited about airplanes and I have ADD so I tune out at times when he's talking about them) he is the boss for the guys on his shift and primarily works on planes that have had something break a couple times. Apparently there are FAA regulations that after something has broken a few times (?) then they have to ground the plane or it somehow gets more serious for the airline at least. Sorry for the sketchy details here. Do you think these regulations are pretty good in general? Too lax or strict? How much do you interact with the mechanics? Do you get nervous when you are on the first flight after they have hopefully fixed a problem on that plane? What about after something has broken a couple times?
Every mechanical issue is entered into the Aircraft Logbook, which is kept in the cockpit (and must be on board for flight). When we first arrive at the plane, one of us peruses the logbook to see that all write-ups have a corrective action entered and that the plane has been signed off as "airworthy" by a mechanic. (In addition, for international flights there must be an ETOPS sign-off, verifying that certain other checks have been done for an ocean crossing.) Taking off with an open write-up (no matter how trivial) is a serious issue and will get a pilot an interview with the chief pilot and may result in FAA action against the crew.

If I see that some critical item has been worked on, or some chronic problem that keeps getting written up and corrected, I'll mention it to the other crewmembers just so we're all aware of it and keep an eye on that system. But I don't feel concerned or nervous flying the plane after maintenance has been done on it.

The write-ups are tracked and if there are repeated write-ups of the same problem, that will trigger a more in-depth treatment of the issue. This is probably what your FIL is talking about. It's pretty standard for repeat problems and I think the rules on this are pretty good.

As to interacting with mechanics, we will often wait for them after a flight to give them more detail on a write-up we've placed in the logbook and this will help them troubleshoot it. We don't really see them much unless there's something broken or they're doing a routine "service check" (or ETOPS check) on the plane.

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7. You said you are a grammar nit. Could you do something about "fasten seatbelt while seated"? I know what they are trying to say, but I don't need to be told to wait until I'm sitting down before buckling up.
I am but one man.

BTW, do they always say it this way? I've heard "Keep your seatbelt fastened while seated" and that seems ok to me though I suppose we could infer the "seated" part if you're actually keeping the belt fastened.

The one that gets me is the way the FAs always add the verb "do" to everything, as in: "We do ask that you remain seated while the seat belt sign is on." Why not "Please remain seated while..."

Or how about gate agents who start every PA with "Once again, Ladies and Gentlemen..." And just how many "final" (or even "last and final") boarding announcements should the law permit?
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01-20-2010 , 09:02 PM
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Get out and spin the prop, ldo.
Funny you say this. On my recent trip to Atlantic City in a Cessna 172, I had to hand prop the plane to get it started. I haven't done that in years and wasn't too keen on it, but if I didn't at least try it we would have had to scrub our flight. I had my younger brother (not a pilot) holding the brakes and briefed him on how to advance the mixture to keep the engine running if it came to life. It worked fine, but it's not the preferred method for starting an engine.
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01-20-2010 , 09:49 PM
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I am but one man.

BTW, do they always say it this way? I've heard "Keep your seatbelt fastened while seated" and that seems ok to me though I suppose we could infer the "seated" part if you're actually keeping the belt fastened.

The one that gets me is the way the FAs always add the verb "do" to everything, as in: "We do ask that you remain seated while the seat belt sign is on." Why not "Please remain seated while..."

Or how about gate agents who start every PA with "Once again, Ladies and Gentlemen..." And just how many "final" (or even "last and final") boarding announcements should the law permit?
One that I noticed on my last flight was a sign in the lavatory that said something like "As a courtesy to the next passenger, may we suggest that you wipe the basin with a towel".

Note that this is not an instruction, or even a suggestion, but rather a request for permission to make a suggestion.

If I could talk to the sign (and it was fairly intelligent), the conversation might go:

ME: "you may"
Sign: "We suggest that you wipe the basin"
ME: "Thank you for your suggestion, however I have decided not to implement it"
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01-20-2010 , 10:55 PM
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One that I noticed on my last flight was a sign in the lavatory that said something like "As a courtesy to the next passenger, may we suggest that you wipe the basin with a towel".

Note that this is not an instruction, or even a suggestion, but rather a request for permission to make a suggestion.

If I could talk to the sign (and it was fairly intelligent), the conversation might go:

ME: "you may"
Sign: "We suggest that you wipe the basin"
ME: "Thank you for your suggestion, however I have decided not to implement it"
I have exactly the same musings when I see a sign (or hear an announcement) like this. On a recent flight, I had my laptop in the seatback pocket and this was not a satisfactory arrangement for the flight attendant. As she made her walk through the cabin, she said to me "I'm going to ask you to place that computer beneath the seat." I simply complied but it took great willpower to resist the urge to ask, "When?"

I imagine the conversation might have gone like this:

FA: "I'm going to ask you to place that computer beneath the seat."
ME: "When?"
FA: "Right now." (not understanding my question)
ME: "OK, go ahead."
FA: "Go ahead with what?"
ME: "Go ahead and ask me to place my computer beneath the seat."
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01-21-2010 , 10:05 AM
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Funny you say this. On my recent trip to Atlantic City in a Cessna 172, I had to hand prop the plane to get it started. I haven't done that in years and wasn't too keen on it, but if I didn't at least try it we would have had to scrub our flight. I had my younger brother (not a pilot) holding the brakes and briefed him on how to advance the mixture to keep the engine running if it came to life. It worked fine, but it's not the preferred method for starting an engine.
Don't recall my instructor giving me hand propping instructions during my flight training. Would seem to be a pretty daunting/unnerving task performed the first time.

What prompted the hand start? Broken starter? How hard is it to do?
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01-21-2010 , 10:30 AM
let's say i'm in the market for a new BMW M3. If i buy new with options, I probably pay about 85k. If I buy used by the granny who just used it every other sunday to go to the grocery store for a year, I pay about 65k. If I want it even cheaper I can get one two years old for about 40k etc etc.

when making the decision to purchase your first airplane, would you recommend someone to just go all out and purchase a brand new Cessna Skycatcher for about 125k or is it perfectly acceptable to buy a 15 year old plane for 1/3 of the price? is reliability the same for a new plane and a 15 year old plane as long as they're maintained well?

i see in '84 you bought a 15 year old plane so i guess as long as it's properly maintained and all that you are just sacrificing some techno-options like GPS display and all that.
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01-21-2010 , 10:41 AM
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Here in OOT, we try not to metnion tipping -- especially in good threads. We might seem a good, rationale, mature bunch. But all bets are off if you get us started on tipping.
This brought up an odd thought.

Any passenger ever give you a tip or gift? It seems like something pretty weird but after thousands of flights I could see it having happened once or twice. Do FAs ever get tipped.
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01-21-2010 , 01:30 PM
Thinking about flying JFK to LAS on Delta in February. What's the chance you'll be my pilot!?
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01-21-2010 , 02:29 PM
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I'm assuming you mean for the airline and the answer is yes. We sometimes reposition a plane for the company. The last one I did like this was BDL to DCA in an MD-88 about 3 years ago. Another reason to fly empty is a ferry flight, which is when we fly a "broken" plane, i.e. one that has something wrong enough that we can't carry passengers, but not so bad that it can't be flown with an approved ferry permit. An example of this would be a landing gear problem in which we ferry the plane with the gear down for an entire flight.
Does this have any effect on the speed/altitude the plane can acheive? Is it a bumpier ride as well?
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01-21-2010 , 02:36 PM
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Thinking about flying JFK to LAS on Delta in February. What's the chance you'll be my pilot!?
I'm heading to LAS in about 3 hours, but I don't have any on my schedule next month. I've got two Cairo trips and a Brussels in February and week of vacation in the middle of the month (they won't let you fly at all during vacation).
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01-21-2010 , 02:45 PM
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I saw this story and I believed it. (I don't see anything on snopes about it.) These kinds of planes are very simple and if the control cables are intact, duct tape would indeed do the job on repairing the rips in the fabric.

Alaska has long been the "wild, wild west" of aviation and I've talked to many pilots who flew up there as bush pilots. They all say that the rules and regulations are considered as little more than suggestions by pilots up there.
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01-21-2010 , 02:53 PM
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I'm 22 and from Ireland and the way things are it looks like there will probably not be any jobs for another few years(4-5 years some people say)
With this in mind would it be a good idea to put save money for the next few years and then go to a flight school and hopefully get everything done within a year and if I don't get employment straight away at least I wont be stuck with big loans to pay off??.. a position which i know a good few guys are in at the moment and were in just after 9/11
I don't have a crystal ball either, but I'll tell you that as long as I can remember (from my first days of learning to fly), all the flying magazines and "experts" were predicting a future shortage of pilots. It's always been somewhere over the horizon.

If you're serious, don't put it off until things start looking rosy. That will just put you on the back of a hiring wave and seniority is everything in this business. Though the airlines might not be hiring at the moment, there are always low level jobs to be had and these will build your time and experience and you'll be a good candidate when things pick up at the airlines.

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I use www.radarvirtuel.com to find out what planes are flying over my house and where their destination is.. I often see Delta 767's flying over as where I live is pretty much on the flight plan for most transatlantic planes out of Europe.. it's cool to think that I've probably spotted you flying over before (I'm the guy in the back yard with the binoculars out, just in case you're looking down from 11km's up lol)
Red headed guy? Pint of Guinness in your hand?

BTW, the few times that it's been clear over Ireland I can certainly see where it gets its nickname of "The Emerald Isle." It is a beautiful place.

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anyway keep up the good work.. amazing thread and check out this landing I think it's pretty sweet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YIyyuv7jI0
In this video, it's the FOs landing and right after landing you can see the Captain's hand come over to ensure that the Speed Brakes (aka lift dump) have extended (the lever is on the Captain's side of the center console). You can see the FO bring the power back to idle right before touchdown and then, on the rollout, he brings up the Reverse Thrust levers (attached to the power levers).
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01-21-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Don't recall my instructor giving me hand propping instructions during my flight training. Would seem to be a pretty daunting/unnerving task performed the first time.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who hadn't at least seen it done before. It's definitely not part of the standard private pilot curriculum. The main thing to keep in mind is to position yourself so that the momentum of pulling the prop through the compression stroke lets you fall away from the prop arc.

The procedure is simple: with the switches OFF, pull the prop through to a compression point -- you can feel the resistance at that point. (If it's cold, pull it through about 12 complete revolutions before stopping at a compression point.) Then turn the magneto switches to ON and pull the prop smartly through the compression point. This will fire the magnetos, sending a spark to the plugs and it may or may not roar to life.

When pulling the prop through (switches OFF) always treat the prop as if the switches are ON, i.e. don't be complacent about pulling the prop through those dozen revolutions. A broken p-lead (I think that's the term) can allow the magnetos to fire even if the switch is OFF.

I remember once teaching a student on a freezing cold day at Manassas. After getting in the plane, I asked him if he had pulled the prop through to loosen the cylinders. He hadn't so I offered to do it, since the door is on my side of the plane in a Cherokee.

When I got to the front of the plane, I called out, "Switches off?" He said yes, and I pulled the prop through once, twice, and the third time the engine roared to life. The switches were, in fact, on and I'm lucky I wasn't complacent with that prop. I was angry at the student, but even angrier at myself for trusting a noob on something that was potentially life threatening.

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What prompted the hand start? Broken starter?
On this particular time (few weeks ago), it was simply a weak battery coupled with a very cold morning and the fact that I hadn't first loosened up the cylinders and the thick oil by pulling the prop through a few time.
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01-21-2010 , 03:10 PM
this weekend i'm going on my "discovery flight" with a flight school at westchester county airport. first step!

decided on the cheaper school that offers a discovery flight for $99 rather than the more expensive school that uses Cirrus aircraft $299
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01-21-2010 , 03:18 PM
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when making the decision to purchase your first airplane, would you recommend someone to just go all out and purchase a brand new Cessna Skycatcher for about 125k or is it perfectly acceptable to buy a 15 year old plane for 1/3 of the price? is reliability the same for a new plane and a 15 year old plane as long as they're maintained well?

i see in '84 you bought a 15 year old plane so i guess as long as it's properly maintained and all that you are just sacrificing some techno-options like GPS display and all that.
If you just won the WSOP ME, then go ahead and buy new. But if you're looking at something to hold its value, buy used. For each of the 3 planes that I've owned, I have been able to sell it (or my share) for what I bought it for. In some cases, planes start to appreciate after bottoming out. That Turbo Arrow, for example, cost me $9000 for 1/5 ownership. I don't think I could buy back in for that today.

The expensive component is the engine, so be sure to check the health of the engine if you're looking (and how close it is to overhaul time). As for avionics, you can always upgrade to whatever new stuff you want but that stuff can cost more than the plane, particularly for an old, used plane.

Here's the Garmin 1000 (dual installation), which is a great system that I've had in a couple of Cessnas I've flown. Everything (Nav, Comm, artificial horizon) is right there on one screen:

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01-21-2010 , 03:20 PM
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This brought up an odd thought.

Any passenger ever give you a tip or gift?
It seems like something pretty weird but after thousands of flights I could see it having happened once or twice. Do FAs ever get tipped.
I never have gotten a tip, though occasionally a passenger has given the crew a box of chocolates or some other treat, but our Flight Ops Manual prohibits us from eating or drinking anything brought on board by a passenger.

I've heard of FAs getting tips on the occasional Las Vegas flight, but I've never been on a flight where that's happened.
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01-21-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Does this have any effect on the speed/altitude the plane can achieve? Is it a bumpier ride as well?
It does have an effect on the speed. Every plane will have a max airspeed for having the gear extended (usually in the 250-280 kt range) and another speed for extending the gear. These speeds could be the same but are often different because of the air loads on gear doors that move during retraction and extension.

As for altitude, I'm not aware of any limitation on how high we can extend the gear but we normally do this down low during the approach (obviously). They would want to avoid any icing conditions since the gear doors would be a great place for heavy ice accumulation with no anti-ice capability.

The ferry permit in the case I cited would include the maximum airspeed allowed during flight. Fuel flow will be greater on this flight due to the increased drag but the flight won't be any bumpier though on some planes there might be a detectable rumble due to the extra drag in the slipstream.
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01-21-2010 , 03:35 PM
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this weekend i'm going on my "discovery flight" with a flight school at westchester county airport. first step!

decided on the cheaper school that offers a discovery flight for $99 rather than the more expensive school that uses Cirrus aircraft $299
Let me know how it goes and take some pictures.
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01-21-2010 , 03:41 PM
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Red headed guy? Pint of Guinness in your hand?
LOL i have a slightly red tinge to my hair and redish beard and am going for a guinness in about half an hour.. the irish stereotype is not wrong.. ever

thanks for answering!
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01-21-2010 , 04:35 PM
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That Turbo Arrow, for example, cost me $9000 for 1/5 ownership.
How does the group of owners divvy up usage? Holidays and weekends would probably be of greater value. Do you pull your proportionate days of the year out of a hat?

Does the Johnny-come-lately get what the previous fractional owner had?
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01-21-2010 , 06:59 PM
I flew from BOS to CDG a couple of years ago on my first international flight. It was a 767, and as we were departing from the gate (I assume being pushed by the tug or whatever they're called) all of the lights in the cabin went out and it went totally silent. No engine or APU running in the background. They pulled us back to the gate and a couple of minutes later the lights came back, and we were on our way again. Knowing a little about aircraft systems, I asked an FA what exactly happened because neither they nor the pilots said anything about it. From what I recall, the FA said that they had pulled away from the GPU without disconnecting properly, apparently without the APU or engines running, and so we completely lost power. The FA then said "it happens every once in a while." Does that sound like what could have happened? And if so, have you ever heard of another pilot doing it? What would the crew have to screw up on the checklist for that sequence to happen? Also, is there any possibility of damage to the aircraft (GPU connectors maybe)?

On a side note, that flight was mostly empty. As in, maybe 20 people or so in the rear section of economy. Enough for me to have an entire center row of 3 seats to sleep on during the entire flight. And being of above average height, that was a godsend. This was in July so I expected it to be a somewhat full flight. Does that happen often on international flights?

Thanks again for this great thread.

P.S. Do you think this is really her?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0AK4yxBGnM
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