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09-20-2017 , 04:37 PM
W0X0F, was that fiord runway the same one featured in Gann's Fate is the Hunter?

I might add that you can also have runways where the takeoff and landing distances are not the same. If you have a displaced threshold (so the official landing threshold of the runway is painted on a ways into the runway), typically for landing obstacle clearance, the landing distance will be shorter than the takeoff distance. There might be other examples as well.


Also a photo of a one-way airstrip here in Fox Glacier, with a slope and a mountain preventing takeoff to the east:
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09-20-2017 , 04:42 PM
I did flight number 3 two days ago. I suppose, flying from Memphis to LAX, I'm jet "unlagged."

This time, I made sure I had decent rest, enough to eat, and a few beers the night before. I didn't get aviation illness, but I still got very light-headed during the flight. It seemed mitigated this time, perhaps because I was listening to music?

Beyond that, I have no real complaints. I had a window seat and...

The first hour felt like we were on a large bus driving the side of a cliff. I had no idea airplanes can hit large "bumps" and fishtail, lol. The woman in the seat next to me was praying and crossed herself at the end of the flight.

At first, the air wasn't working. After spending the past several months in 110 degree weather, this didn't bother me, but we are talking about Los Angelinos, who go nuts once the temp scoots over 75. There was some rain outside, but seriously, it wasn't enough to cause a 1 hour delay. The turbulence tacked on another 30 minutes.

Leaving LAX is pure hell. It's confusing, large and just a mess of traffic and people. I had no idea where to catch the bus to downtown, so I just jumped on the shuttle to the ghetto green line.

I also want to point out that flying with an instrument is horrible. It's actually not bad for the instrument itself, since airlines put it in the oversized / fragile area, so you don't have to watch the luggage guy toss it onto the ground after missing the little ramp. It is painful because, at the start, you have to watch the box like a hawk. I supplied keys for the security. Once off the plain, that luggage is the last thing to get sent over the oversized area, and that takes over an hour.

Overall, I can't complain too much. I suppose there is a slight risk to using Allegiant airlines. It was a direct flight and less expensive than a Grayhound bus, so you sorta get that crowd on the plane. The A319 is definitely an uncomfortable plane to sit on.

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As I was looking out, I noticed there were these columns of clouds with the tops pushed far to one side. I was guessing that is airstreams. When the pilot is looking out the window, do they "read" the clouds, and do they react to those reads in any way?
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09-21-2017 , 02:11 AM
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There was another airport, somewhere in Iceland, that also fits this category of having a designated departure and arrival runway. My father told me about some place they used to go to in his Navy P2 days where the runway sat at the end of a narrow fjord. There wasn't enough room in the fjord to maneuver so you always landed straight in and took off the opposite direction, heading straight out the fjord towards the sea. They only used this airport in VMC because you have to maintain visual separation from the terrain and a go around is out of the question.
Pretty sure that you're thinking about Isafjordur. I think you can land both directions there, but if you look at the approach charts you will see that it's pretty unique, and requires an early decision (i.e. visual conditions) to decide whether you want to enter the fjord or not.
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09-21-2017 , 04:00 AM
So something I've not noticed before (I'm not a super frequent flyer by any means, but I travel by air semi-regularly).

When I took off from London Heathrow two weeks ago, I really noticed (what I assumed was) the Cats-Eyes/Lights embedded in the runway.

They felt super harsh, like as if we were going over a pot-hole once every second or so.

I've never noticed it before, certainly not to the extent that it felt then.

Is that because pilots try to use just off-centre on the runway to avoid them? Or another reason?
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09-30-2017 , 05:54 PM
Air France A380 from Paris to Los Angeles makes an emergency landing in Goose Bay, Labrador. One of the 4 engines had an explosion or something over the Atlantic.

Goose Bay has two runways, and at least one is over 10,000ft..

Actually, the modified Boeing with a space shuttle on top landed in Goose Bay years ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...-bay-1.4315132
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09-30-2017 , 06:07 PM
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I'm doing a translation about an airport at the moment and the original says something like "Between 1974 and 1977, the take-off and landing runway was extended by 1,100 metres."

In the translation I'm going to ditch "take-off and landing" and just call it "the runway" (it's probably in the original as the word for runway has a wider meaning, something more like "track") but it occurred to me to ask, is there ever such a thing as a take-off only runway or a landing only runway on a permanent basis?
http://imageserver.fltplan.com/afd/C...17/CFS-497.PDF

Here is an interesting one for you. Grise Fiord in Nunavut in Canada. It has a curved approach (with lighting) and the overshoot process for 32 is an immediate left turn, as there is a mountain north of the airport. For the most part aircraft land on 32 and depart on 14. I flew in there (as a passenger) about 20 years ago in a Twin Otter out of Resolute Bay.
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10-01-2017 , 12:45 AM
I am watching the Northern Illinois vs San Diego State game and they said this about their flight


"Landing in San Diego the pilot overshot the runway and the load was too heavy and they didn't have enough gas to make a second run around so they had to re route it to Palm Springs to get more gas".

How could they not have enough gas for a go around but have enough to get to palm springs form San Diego?
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10-01-2017 , 09:51 AM
Goose Bay used to have tons of fighter jets practice there from all over the world - not so much now. Used to be military but now run by a contractor. Also my neck of the woods.
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10-01-2017 , 12:41 PM

Click image for story: Engine breaks up on Air France Airbus A380, forcing emergency landing in Canada

Any conjecture W0X0F? Defect, maintenance error, bird strike?

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10-01-2017 , 01:54 PM
Took a trip to Des Moines last weekend, on a smallish regional jet (Canadair something or another). A few things occurred to me to ask.

1) skill -- more, less or different to fly small craft vs big? Big craft seem less susceptible to weather and probably are more sophisticated (i.e., do more to help the pilot). But, having to handle that much more mass is an issue, I imagine.
2) remoteness -- DSM seems like it's kind of "at the end of the road" in flying terms. What's the most remote place you've piloted into?
3) urban legends -- I don't know why this occurred, but can you think of any urban legends about flying that are strictly that--just legends?

Thank you again for this thread, and continued good luck with the FAA clearance.
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10-20-2017 , 12:39 AM
Hi WOXOF and everyone else,

Thanks for this great thread.
I have been a long time lurker here, but never commented.
I have no info regarding this video just felt I had to share when someone sent it to me. https://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59e97d3d...020-WA0013.mp4

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10-20-2017 , 04:17 AM
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Took a trip to Des Moines last weekend, on a smallish regional jet (Canadair something or another). A few things occurred to me to ask.

2) remoteness -- DSM seems like it's kind of "at the end of the road" in flying terms. What's the most remote place you've piloted into?
Not even close. Check the route maps for Alaskan/Horizon Air.
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10-20-2017 , 09:13 PM
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Not even close. Check the route maps for Alaskan/Horizon Air.
pig, I think I didn't explain what I meant very well. By "end of the road", I mean if you're going there, you're going there, not transferring to another flight.

You're right, some of those places like Barrow are way more remote. Seems like our gracious host is a big-airline pilot, I was wondering how remote those guys get, though.
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10-21-2017 , 09:11 AM
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Damn, that news was so hot that it has already been removed. Must be true then.
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10-21-2017 , 05:30 PM
I love how an innocuous stock photo becomes dirty when applied to this story.

For the above Des Moines-related discussion, golddog is correct. Nobody comes to Des Moines to make a transfer. People in Des Moines do a lot of traveling to hub cities to make transfers to other places.

But, hey, we've got one direct Fedex flight to Canada, so we qualify as an "international" airport. [eyeroll]
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10-21-2017 , 09:46 PM
Does Des Moines still have a Firestone factory?

I am only familiar with it through the work of Bill Bryson, and he said it was the town's main claim to fame.
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10-22-2017 , 07:57 AM
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pig, I think I didn't explain what I meant very well. By "end of the road", I mean if you're going there, you're going there, not transferring to another flight.
That's the vast majority of airports, though.
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10-22-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Does Des Moines still have a Firestone factory?

I am only familiar with it through the work of Bill Bryson, and he said it was the town's main claim to fame.
Firestone is still here, but I think the major employer has to be the financial/insurance industry, with Principal, EMC, Nationwide, and Wellmark all taking up big spots in the downtown. But, at the time he was writing, something industrial may have been one of the few options worth staying in the city for.

I don't think it's nearly as bad as when John Hennigan got involved:

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THE IOWA BET - John Hennigan loves the action of the big city, especially the action at the local casinos. But when a group of friends bet him six-figures that he couldn’t spend six weeks living in the sleepy city of Des Moines, Iowa, Hennigan couldn’t pass up the offer. Planning to work on his golf game, Hennigan only lasted two days before he ran screaming back to the big city.

according to - http://www.daretogamble.com/2007/04/...muth-huck.html
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10-25-2017 , 12:56 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/air-c...81-atc-2017-10

How familiar are pilots with an Aldis lamp?
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10-26-2017 , 11:09 PM
Starting on the CRJ in January. I'm gonna splurge on an ANC headset, most likely DC. Any experience with the pro-x or one-x?
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11-06-2017 , 03:57 AM
Hours and Hours of Boredom Interrupted By Moments of Sheer Terror ...

W0X0F:

Years ago I recall reading a comment, presumably by a pilot, that flying is "... hours and hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror." (This is a slight paraphrase.)
I imagine lots of things that occasionally occur while flying a large airplane, (i.e. encountering severe wind turbulence at altitude or doing a fly around on an aborted landing approach), don't cause a good pilot to break out in a sweat. (Ho hum ...) On the other hand, every experienced pilot must surely have [at least] one or two unexpected out-of-the-ordinary "situations" that instantly focus your attention and elevate your blood pressure. (Here's a really good one ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2H6eXJrcAY

Do you recall a particular moment of sheer terror in your flying career when you had to react to (and cope with) something unexpected? (Plenty of details please ...) Hopefully you haven't experienced too many of these heart attack moments, but it would be interesting to hear your account of your most memorable "surprise" while in the air.
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11-07-2017 , 07:48 AM
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I've been threatening to give a story of a "brush with death" and here's one. I wish I could say it was the only one I have, but I was young and foolish once. I could have easily become a statistic. Instead I added some experience that (I hope) has made me a safer pilot.

From my logbook, here are my entries for a flight in 1985. There is only a small space for remarks, so they’re not detailed, but they’re enough to remind me of the whole thing. These entries are verbatim and therefore cryptic:

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11-2 M20C N78959 W09 - McCollum, Kennesaw GA 3.9 hrs
w/Paul, Barb. Visit Shavers. LORAN to NC, then VOR; IFR most of time

11-4 M20C N78959 McCollum - Statesville NC 2.0 hrs
Gloomy forecast. Heaviest rain ever!! Engine out @7000’ over Barrett’s Mt due to showers

11-4 M20C N78959 Statesville – LYH 1.3 hrs
Emergency landing @ Statesville, MVFR (thank God!) Try to push on. More showers; Precautionary landing LYH. Stayed @ Holiday Inn

11-5 M20C N78959 LYH-W09 1.3 hrs
Mostly IFR, little rain. Good to be home!!
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Paul was a high school friend of mine (who I still see fairly regularly; in fact we're meeting with 2 other high school friends this evening for dinner) and I'm surprised he even went with me on this trip, considering another experience he and I had flying to the Bahamas several years earlier (that's another story I want to share). Along with his wife, Barb, we set out to visit another high school friend and his wife, who lived in Georgia.

It was a nice visit and when it came time to return home, I checked the weather. Rain in the forecast, but that's why the FAA invented the Instrument Rating (which I had) so I felt bullet-proof and filed for the flight home.

The rain that lay ahead turned out to be some of the heaviest I've ever encountered and caused flooding that ranks as the 2nd worst in Virginia history. (See http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/Historic...va-floods.html for confirmation)

The M20C was an old 1963 Mooney which belonged to a student who I taught to fly in this plane. He used to let me use it for free; I just put gas in it. On the Nov. 4th flight from Georgia, we started encountering rain in North Carolina and it got progressively heavier to the point that the plane actually leaked (rain coming in through seams in the roof and dripping on Barb in the back) and it got so loud from the sheer volume of water impacting the plane that it was unlike any experience I had had to that time. I felt like I was on a submarine, not a plane. I could barely hear the controller over the headset.

And then...the engine just stone cold quit.

The absence of the roar of the engine left us in a small (and oh God, it felt small at that moment), leaky vessel at 7000 feet in the heaviest rain I had ever seen. Looking back through the fog of time, it would be silly to think that I could accurately describe all of my emotions and thoughts at that moment, but I distinctly remember a couple of things.

I had two main competing thoughts that kept demanding air time in my brain. One was something along the lines of "Well, you idiot, this is how you get yourself into Flying magazine and all the pilots reading your story in their Aftermath section will be tsk, tsking about what a bonehead you were for flying into conditions beyond your capability" and the other was a sense of overwhelming guilt at putting my trusting friend and his wife in this situation. I kid you not, the guilt feeling was one of my major emotions.

I could feel the effect of adrenaline and I remember consciously thinking that I had to keep it together for my friends' sake. I looked at Paul, sitting to the right of me and he was looking wide-eyed back at me. He knew this was serious, but he was taking his cues from me and I tried hard to give the appearance of calm.

All of the above -- the thoughts, the looks -- were in the first 2-3 seconds after the engine quit. I keyed the mike and told the controller "Washington Center, Mooney 959. We've had an engine failure"

I had the radio turned way up, so that I could hear the controller and she responded, "Roger 959, what are your intentions." This struck me as somewhat humorous at the moment, but I thought it best not to share my amusement with Paul. I simply said, "We need to land."

Well we were going to land, whether we needed to or not. The question was, would we survive the landing?

The controller said, "Roger 959, turn right heading 180 degrees, vectors for Barrett's Mountain. Current weather at the field: 200 foot overcast, visibility one half mile, heavy thunderstorms. Winds ..." I can't remember the specific winds, but I do remember vividly that it was 200 and a half...classic ILS weather minimums. This was the minimum weather to fly an ILS with an engine running! And I was going to attempt it deadstick.

I should mention that the terrain was mountainous and the Barrett's Mountain airport sits at 1,030' MSL (above sea level). It was not a pretty prospect.

And then, halfway through the turn (because what option did I have but to try?), we popped out of the side of tall cumulus buildups and into clear air. I immediately rolled the wings level and stopped my turn; no way I was going back in the clouds. Ahead were more clouds but there were gaps and I could see the ground. I would take my chances with an off-airport landing that I could see rather than a deadstick to 200 feet that I couldn't see.

Looking over my left shoulder I looked at the clouds going up to probably over 40,000 feet and extending on a line from the Southeast to the Northeast as far as I could see. I told Center I was back in VMC (Visual Meteorological Conditions) but I honestly can't remember anything of what I said. She offered the fact that Statesville NC was at my 12 o'clock position and 10 miles.

I'm not sure what altitude I was at by this time (but I was still comfortably above the terrain I could see) or if I could have glided all the way to Statesville. I was delighted with the prospect of just picking an open field. Our chances of living had skyrocketed!

Once clear of the rain, the engine began coughing back to life. Throughout this ordeal, the prop had been turning, windmilling in the slipstream (you really have to work at it to get the prop to actually stop without the engine running). Each time the prop turns it causes the magnetos to fire the spark plugs (two sets in each cylinder for redundancy), so the engine is constantly trying to restart in a case like this.

It turns out the reason for the engine failure was the sheer amount of water being ingested. A combustion engine requires intake air to operate and the heavy rain was displacing the air so the engine quit. I might have been able to avoid the failure by selecting "Alternate Air" which provides a different pathway for air to reach the engine, bypassing the air filter. Alternate Air is usually selected in cases where the air filter ices up, but could well have worked for this case too...I'll never know.

So anyway, as the water worked its way through the system, the engine was sputtering and finally coughed back to life somewhere around 2000' and by the time I was on final approach at Statesville, it was purring as sweet as ever.

Epilog: Somehow I convinced Paul and Barb to get back in the plane and continue home to Leesburg (W09 was the airport identifier for Leesburg then; now it's JYO). This really is a testament to my persuasive skills but it still amazes me 24 years later.

I thought we could stay east of the rain, but I was wrong and once we started encountering rain on the flight out of Statesville, Paul started pointing down, gesturing that he wanted to get on the ground, so I diverted in to Lynchburg, VA where we stayed the night. The approach in to Lynchburg was no piece of cake -- right down to 200 and a half in rainshowers. You can bet I was watching those engine instruments during approach and I was really glad to be on the ground...again.
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11-07-2017 , 12:42 PM
WRT the above, with the engine out do you still have hydraulics? Would you have had to hand crank the gear down?
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