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11-11-2009 , 11:29 PM
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For a pilot of some experience level (not talking about a 100 hour guy), it could probably be done, at least without loss of life. I'm assuming use of the autopilot and a good experienced person on the radio to talk you through it.

I would love to be able to try this in one of our simulators in Atlanta.
I would pay to be your test dumby for this experiement. Can I try a full rudder slip onto a postage stamp? Nothing beats looking down the runway out the side window on a steep approach.
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11-11-2009 , 11:30 PM
How difficult is a landing on St. Maarten? Maybe it looks crazier than it is.
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11-12-2009 , 12:11 AM
wish i hadnt found this thread just before i was going 2 bed, gonna be shattered tomorrow!

Seriously, awesome thread thanks OP
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11-12-2009 , 12:31 AM
I've always been afraid of flying, and am very nervous and generally miserable during flight. Once I sat next to a nice gentleman in his mid-40's during a flight from Brazil to Orlando. I guess he could tell how nervous I was because he casually mentioned that he was a pilot and started talking about his experience and the reliability and safety of planes. As the flight went on, he proceeded to describe in detail every click, whirr, shake, rumble and so on that had always scared the **** out of me.

"Did you hear that click and then the whirring sound?"

::I nod terrified and imagning myself plummeting to my death::

"That was nothing to worry about, it was simply the landing gear being pulled up into the plane and the compartment that houses it shutting." Or whatever the particular thing may have been.

It made me feel infinitely better about the flight, and it was by far the most pleasant, least scary, aviation experience of my life. Since then, flying has been a little easier for me (although it's still not my favorite thing to do).

I've read through this entire thread, and it's had much the same effect. Reading through the safety procedures, and knowing that there are people as competent and professional as you in charge, has made me feel much less anxious about flying in the future.

This, I suppose, is all my long-winded way of saying what pretty much everyone else has already said before: "A+ thread. I (we) really appreciate you taking the time."
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11-12-2009 , 12:32 AM
Who do you think is right, Boeing (who's strategy is that we'll soon all be flying from close-to-home airports on mid-range jets) or Airbus (betting on big central hubs and bigass planes to carry people between them)?

Obviously I'm over-simplifying but I think that's the gist of their strategic assumptions.
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11-12-2009 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Madd
How difficult is a landing on St. Maarten? Maybe it looks crazier than it is.
wow

good read btw
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11-12-2009 , 12:35 AM
Hi WOXOF

Great thread

I used to be on the other side of the mike in Canada (the Northwest Territories). I have a few questions for you.

Cool handle (WOXOF). I don't think anybody has mentioned it. I doubt most of the posters know what it means. BTW, the first dog I ever had was NORDO, and the name suited him....(dumb animal)

1. Do you think the public is generally aware of how poor the wages are for pilots until they can get on with a large carrier. I know folks like yourself make a good living, but low time regional and small carriers seem to get paid next to nothing because the companies know pilots need hours. Is it as bad in the US - were pilots are working for next to nothing just to get seat time and log hours on type?

2. A regional carrier here has a fleet of 19-seat Jetstreams. I fly on them quite a bit. Did you like flying this aircraft. It sure does have a high landing speed.

3. Air Traffic Controllers have an awesome public image . I think they have conviced the world they are more necessary than pilots. Does it draw the ire of pilots that ATCs make good $ right from the start (as opposed to struggling pilots)? I mean no matter how bad a situation gets, the controller is going home at the end of an emergency.

4. Please tell me you have never called PAN. PAN, PAN...lol

I may have some follow-ups. Great thread.
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11-12-2009 , 12:45 AM
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There is some concern about this exposure. Basically, up at altitude you don't have the shielding effect of the atmosphere and are getting much greater exposure to solar radiation. And this is much stronger over the poles where the ozone layer is much thinner (is that right? is it ozone that does the shielding?)

I've never seen any data on this, but the conventional wisdom is that it has an aging affect. I've flown with a few guys who actually rub on skin protection at altitude.
The effect is not "considerable". But, flight attendants, pilots, etc. do have a slightly-higher-than-average risk of a variety of cancers because of exposure to cosmic radiation.

Just what I remember from 10 years ago. I would try to provide a link/reference, but there's not a lot that you can access for free on pubmed.org.
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11-12-2009 , 02:04 AM
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Yes they do. When your name comes up for testing, you are met at the gate upon arrival and escorted to the test site (at the airport). Breathalyzer if it's an alcohol test; pee in a cup if it's a drug test. The test usually takes just long enough to ensure you miss your commute home.
shouldn't the tests be conducted prior to you flying in case, you know, they turn up positive?
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11-12-2009 , 02:36 AM
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To keep occupied during portions of a flight when there isn't much to do, do pilots ever make up little games to play with each other? (I'm thinking of the car games everybody plays as a kid on long car trips.)
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shouldn't the tests be conducted prior to you flying in case, you know, they turn up positive?
This. Your flights are 6-12 hours, plenty of time to sober up. No wonder they never get positives. Hell you could drink with your buddies in first class for the first few hours of a Tokyo-NYC flight and come up clean from what you're describing.
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11-12-2009 , 02:38 AM
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Why aren't planes dimpled like golf balls?
A golf ball is traveling at a much lower Mach number. Drag is a function of velocity^2

dimples = turbulent flow = drag rise.

I would also imagine that dimples would also cause local supersonic flow on the fuselage, causing more shockwaves. The plane could then have to fly slower than it currently does to meet FAA noise requirements?
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11-12-2009 , 03:36 AM
If an airplane was on a giant conveyor belt that matched it's speed exactly (so that the plane would appear at a stand-still to an outside observer) ... would the plane be able to take off?
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11-12-2009 , 04:03 AM
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If an airplane was on a giant conveyor belt that matched it's speed exactly (so that the plane would appear at a stand-still to an outside observer) ... would the plane be able to take off?
The plane wouldn't be at a standstill if it's propellor or jets were producing thrust. The conveyor belt would simply make the wheels spin faster since they aren't receiving power from the engines anyway. Takeoff would proceed as normal.
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11-12-2009 , 06:04 AM
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If an airplane was on a giant conveyor belt that matched it's speed exactly (so that the plane would appear at a stand-still to an outside observer) ... would the plane be able to take off?
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11-12-2009 , 06:08 AM
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NO NO NO NO NO ...
that is debatable.
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11-12-2009 , 06:13 AM
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I well remember my worst ride: November 11, 1995, Dulles to Albany in a J-31 (built like a tank by British Aerospace). We were turned right into a red cell on the wx radar by Dulles Departure control (red=severe, probably level 4 or 5). It was night and I was flying. All hell broke loose, altitude changing +/- 1500 , airspeed going from stickshaker (stall) to Vmo (max operating speed, the red line, or Do Not Exceed speed; beyond this speed the manufacturer does not guarantee that the plane will stay in one piece) and back again. When we approached stall, I lowered the nose to maintain airspeed and avoid the stall; when we approached Vmo, I relaxed the controls so as to 'unload' the wing (i.e. reduce the g loading) and avoid overstressing the wings and tail. Throughout all this, the plane was shaking so violently that I told Tom, the other guy, "you have the power" and I used both hands on the control wheel. I couldn't read the instruments and could only keep a vague sense from the artificial horizon of our pitch and bank attitude.

I remember very well my thoughts at this moments: (1) don't go inverted and (2) I hope it doesn't get worse. It lasted probably less than 3 minutes...the longest of my life and it was still quite rough, though manageable, for the next 45 minutes. I'm sure the passengers thought this was the end. When we landed at Albany, they all sat still after engine shutdown with that 1000 yard stare.
op, this is an awesome thread. any 2p2er who flies with you owes you a beer (upon landing, of course).
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11-12-2009 , 06:24 AM
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Have you ever had a near miss on a runway or in flight? Are different runways usually used for takeoffs and landings, and if not, how often does a runway "switch?" I.e., will a runway do 10 minutes worth of takeoffs and then do a landing, then back to takeoffs?
along these lines, just thought of a question: are you familiar with LAX (or have you heard about it from your friends)? if so, can you explain why there are so many runway incursions? i know they reverse the runways often (the santa ana winds blow out to sea, while normally the wind blows inland off the pacific)... does that play a part?

thanks again for an awesome thread.
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11-12-2009 , 06:30 AM
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Ask me about being a fighter pilot thread please
he could tell you, but then he'd have to....
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11-12-2009 , 08:19 AM
you have spoke about the deterioration of the industry and that flying is not what it once was. Could you please expand on this little and give your view on what a career as a pilot is likely going to entail in the future?

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11-12-2009 , 08:51 AM
you say you'd be totally against opening up the airline industry to competition.

Obviously it would be bad for you as a successful pilot at a big airline. What do you think you would think about it if you had no connections with the airline industry, but knew what you know now? In other words, would it be good for the customers?
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11-12-2009 , 08:57 AM
Of course. No offense but the major european and asian carriers are much higher-quality than US/Canadian ones.

EDIT: I'd like to hear OP's answer as well as obv the question was asked to him!
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11-12-2009 , 09:04 AM
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I sometimes marvel at the fact that a mere 15 feet below where I'm sitting it is about 7 miles of nothing right down to the ocean (and a bitterly cold ocean at that). I am also impressed with the extreme reliability of these planes. Back and forth across the Atlantic, day in and day out. They really have worked a lot of the bugs out since Lindbergh's time.

I don't really think the fear is all that irrational because, as you note, it's not really natural. I think the rest of us are in a societal-induced state of denial. "Must be ok, everyone else is doing it and they seem to be living."

You just need to become assimilated...
I am flying tomorrow morning, Baltimore to Sarasota, straight through the Atlantic surge and then directly into the tail end of Ida.

Klonopin will be flying with me.

Assimilation has never been my strong suit.

I remember in the movie The Day After Tomorrow, one of the kids on the plane saying that turbulence virtually NEVER brings a plane down.

These guys seem to think I'll be OK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFbe...rom=PL&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNwf_...aynext_from=PL

Confirm, please.

I mean, roger, Roger.
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11-12-2009 , 11:02 AM
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Why aren't planes dimpled like golf balls?
I'll bite. The same reason they don't have stitching like a baseball?
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11-12-2009 , 11:06 AM
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An addendum to my earlier loop question:

Would it be possible to do a loop the other way ie start going down towards Earth keep going around end up upside down and keep going around up and complete the 360 rotation? Again not an Immelman turn but a full loop.
Now you're talking about an outside loop and it would be impossible in an airliner...they're not stressed for that amount of negative G force. Aerobatic pilots do this stunt at airshows sometimes, but their planes are built for it.

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Also I guess you could figure it out with science but can you guess what the radius of the circle of a Boeing doing a full loop would be, travelling at whatever the standard cruising speed is.
I know that my brother told me that when he was in Air Force flight training, the T-38 (supersonic jet trainer) would use 10,000 feet in the loop. Probably the same order of magnitude for a Boeing, but it might vary by a few thousand feet.

What exactly are you planning?

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11-12-2009 , 11:41 AM
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Is the following true?
There are BOLD pilots and there are OLD pilots, but no OLD BOLD pilots.
This is a famous adage in the flying world and springs from truth. I remember being told when I got my private license, "This is a license to learn." Very true.

As you go along, you do some stupid things and if you're lucky they start forming your bag of experience. If you're unlucky...well, there's another flying quote from the 1930s attributed to Captain A.G. Lamplugh :

"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect."

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Flying is hours of boredom separated by seconds of pure terror.
Yes, I've been bored on a plane but I've never experience the sheer terror. I've had some instances where my sphincter tightened, but it was never terror. I'll post a good one later today about a complete engine failure I had in a single engine plane while flying in clouds over mountains.

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There are three things a pilot can't use;
Fuel on the ground.
Altitude above you.
Runway behind you.
I've heard this as "...the altitude above you, the runway behind you and the fuel you left behind."

All true. Better to be at 10,000' when the engine fails than to be down at 100' buzzing your girlfriend's house. Making a takeoff from an intersection on a runway might not seem like a good idea when the trees at the end of the runway begin to fill your windscreen on the takeoff roll. And, of course, fuel just means more options if the weather goes bad.

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Did I mention, I can fly the crap out of a C-150? I've got a few stores, but mine pale in comparision.

W0X0F, this goes down as the best non-poker thread in 2+2 history! ! ! Maybe I'm a bit bias. Please keep us updated with interesting stories from future flights.
Hey thanks.
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